State Board Needs More Than 60 Days to Verify Recall Signatures

The Government Accountability Board also needs $100,000 in software upgrades, an off-site facility and temp workers.

Wisconsin recall elections seem like a pretty sure thing, and to be sure the integrity of the process is preserved, the Government Accountability Board is asking for an extension to review petition signatures.

State statute gives the agency 30 days to conduct a review, but the GAB is asking for 60 days or more, according to an Associated Press story.

Government Accountability Board Director Kevin Kennedy said the court-ordered, more stringent process is driving the timeline. Completing the verifications in 60 days plus a primary for the gubernatorial race means a May election. Further court challenges or other delays could mean pushing the election(s) to June or later.

While 540,000 signatures are required to spark a recall election, state Democrats say they expect to turn in 1.5 million signatures. Originally, the GAB said it was up to the Walker campaign to challenge signatures, but a Waukesha County judge said that process is up to the Accountability Board.

On Jan. 6, Rep. Robin Vos (R-Rochester) released figures he'd requested for how much the . Without a primary, state residents have a $9 million price tag, $17 million with a primary. In Racine County, State Sen. Van Wanggaard's potential recall election adds another $100,000 to $200,000 to that total.

Ben Hogan January 13, 2012 at 07:29 PM
Bren@ Why doesnt Walker get more time to also verify the signatures? GAB says it now needs more than 60 days but the Walker campaign is given 2 weeks.
Ben Hogan January 13, 2012 at 07:31 PM
Prior to this ruling the GAB was not going to do anything to verify the signatures other than look at an address. Why did it take a court ruling to force them to do their job?
Bob McBride January 13, 2012 at 07:33 PM
Be patient, Ben. Bren doesn't pull these answers out of his own noggin. He'll have to rush back over to Kos to ask someone there how he's supposed to respond to your query.
Ben Hogan January 13, 2012 at 07:50 PM
Sorry Bob i forgot, somehow this is the Koch's fault.
C. Sanders January 13, 2012 at 08:01 PM
You're an independent? I couldn't tell, you hide it so well. hahahahahahahahahaha
Randy1949 January 13, 2012 at 08:11 PM
An infinite number, since the federal government has no recall provision. A US President may be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors.
Bob McBride January 13, 2012 at 08:45 PM
For once the Feds got it right. If we can trust the entire country to criteria such as that, surely the state of WI would be safe with those same criteria - particularly in light of how our current loosey-goosey ones are being abused by the sore losers.
mau January 13, 2012 at 08:46 PM
I'm doing both. Plus I'm waiting to get approved and trained, so I can work at the polls this year.
Leslie Lauersdorf-Adam January 13, 2012 at 09:26 PM
This country was founded on religious and political freedom. Why do Walker supporters feel their opinion is the only one that counts? Since when do Walker supporters feel they can be verbally demeaning, threaten people with physical harm, spit on them and attempt to destroy the signatures already obtained? If this is the mentality of his supporters, I can understand why they support Walker. He used the tactics of a thug pushing his will upon people without following protocol. Scott in case you had not been paying attention, state employees now are paying twice for their insurance. I'm sure from your comments, in your mind this is fair.
CowDung January 13, 2012 at 09:33 PM
Open your eyes Leslie. There are bad actors on both sides, or have you forgotten all the death threats that some in the anti-Walker crowd were making? Can you please explain what you mean when you say that state employees are paying twice for their insurance, and why you think it is so unfair?
Sam Vedder January 13, 2012 at 09:36 PM
Leslie... Where in any of the comments here, do you see that anyone is being spit on, threatened, or has anyone said only their opinion matters? Please also explain how state employees are paying twice for their insurance. After all the documented "thug" tactics displayed by the unions, you have a lot of nerve trying to paint Governor Walker as a thug.
Randy1949 January 13, 2012 at 09:54 PM
We were actually discussing that on New Years Eve with my family, now that some schools have decided not to teach cursive writing at all. My step-granddaughter signs her name by printing, always has. I guess it's a sign of the times. However -- how legible is your signature on a check or credit card authorization? I know that mine has grown a little more florid as the years have passed. It doesn't mean it isn't genuine.
Bob McBride January 13, 2012 at 10:15 PM
(Sam and CD, I think Leslie was "venting" - she's probably moved on to her quiet place now with the Windham Hill Sampler playing softly in the background...possibly a hint of sandalwood wafting through the air...please respect her right to purge the angst.)
mau January 13, 2012 at 10:23 PM
My husband prints his signature. When he has written it, it is impossible to read. His print is very unique. It's like a combination of both. When I learned cursive it was almost like an art form. With arthritis I have lost that ability to write all but small amounts. I always make sure that my signature is legible. At times I forget and start out fluidly and end up a line. My capital letters are always the same. So anyone comparing my signatures would automatically see that they are the same signature. I do research and it requires me to read written entries, sometimes in other languages. Over time one gets used to the writing and are able to recognize the individuals way of writing or printing the alphabet. I was transcribing practice recall sheet and it was obvious to me that two of the signatures were written by the same individual. I am curious if this software that the GAB wants to use will be programmed to recognize the handwriting or just fake names and/or duplicate names.
CowDung January 13, 2012 at 10:45 PM
That's a bit disappointing. It sounded like someone was actually bringing up a talking point that hasn't been discussed around here yet...
Bob McBride January 13, 2012 at 10:50 PM
CD, I'm guessing she actually meant pension versus insurance - or just misunderstood that particular shopworn talking point. If not, perhaps she'll return and clarify after achieving a more restful, positive state of mind.
Mr.Ed January 14, 2012 at 07:29 PM
I knew that Randy, but I was pondering the popular vote seems to sometimes be quite different that the electoral vote actual outcome of presidential elections. Another subject. So is this the new trend? The next time a democrat makes it in are we going to do a recall election again?
Randy1949 January 14, 2012 at 07:36 PM
@MustangSally -- that is because of the winner take all nature of the electoral college. Some US Presidents actually lose the popular vote or win by a very slim margin and feel they have a mandate because of the electoral count. That is why Wisconsin will be such an important state in the upcoming election. We're purple, and the vote could go either way, depending on a lot of factors.
Mr.Ed January 14, 2012 at 07:46 PM
Good point Randy. I'm proud of our purple this time around. It seems like so many (liberals) have this love affair with the political climate of the 60's being a time of "action". True! But aren't the times we are living in now an incredible time of similar action? (you wouldn't know it by the nightly news)
Keith Schmitz January 14, 2012 at 08:32 PM
There are plenty of Democrats you could go after right now. But the baggers don't have the ambition or the organization.
Keith Schmitz January 14, 2012 at 09:00 PM
Hate? Union thugs? Yeah, you guys are so much not about hate.
Keith Schmitz January 14, 2012 at 09:07 PM
Bob, hate to tell you that you'll have to take time away from incessant posting on Patch to be a part of that.
Bren January 15, 2012 at 03:19 AM
Steve, yes I'm an independent. The current hard right-wing radicalism also seems to be turning my Goldwater-Republican dad into a moderate too, which I enjoy teasing him about. Bob McBride, epithets are the first defense of the inarticulate. Write like an adult and I will discourse with you. Ben, I can't answer your question without looking into the rules which I haven't had time to do this week. I'm sorry. But I'll restate my original point--we should take the time to do this right. I think the world is watching.
Bren January 15, 2012 at 03:38 AM
Craig-"People like Bren need to hope that Walker doesn't survive the recall." Once again, the public union concessions didn't address the budget shortfall. They funded the new corporate tax cuts which means it was a financial "wash." That's no victory. And your point about Walker balancing budgets--this is something that really anyone can do. It takes creativity and vision to be able to analyze how a business (which our state is not) or nonprofit can maintain its core activities without significant change in quality. That's an investment for the longterm because one doesn't want to jeopardize the "business" one already has. It costs a lot more to develop new clients than to maintain the existing base. Would you agree with that idea? The issue I have with Scott Walker in this area is that he runs through the process with a club when a scalpel is needed. There's no consistency and little thought. Ex.: As County Executive he tried to fire the lady who has designed the beautiful and popular shows at the Domes for years. You wouldn't believe how little pay she received, especially when you consider that people come to the Domes to see those shows and they bring such joy. Firing public employees and not replacing them causes delays and inefficiencies that slow down business and daily life. Firing employees and replacing them with higher paid crony appointments is fiscally unsound. That's partly why I support the recall effort.
Leslie Lauersdorf-Adam January 15, 2012 at 04:01 AM
Yes, state employees are paying twice or 100% for their insurance. In case some of you have forgotten, they pay state taxes also in addition to paying their monthly premiums. As I read the comments below, I still am seeing a lot of demeaning remarks only because someone has a different opinion. Again, thug tactics. If you consider the tactics used by Walker were okay, just remember he can (and in all probability will) use them on benefits you or your family should receive. Then don't come and tell the rest of us about his policies and the practices he used to get there. Please note I've not demeaned anyone in this reply. Merely stated what I know for sure. If you care to respond, please try to keep it at an adult level not that of a thug.
Bob McBride January 15, 2012 at 04:53 AM
Bren, I have no interest in "discourse" with you. You're just fun to poke at with a stick now and then.
Bob McBride January 15, 2012 at 04:57 AM
Once again, I appreciate your concern for my time, Keith, but it really doesn't require a lot of time or effort to counter the best efforts of someone like yourself.
Bob McBride January 15, 2012 at 05:12 AM
CD, there's Leslie's talking point. Apparently since public employees are also paying state income taxes, that means their paying twice, or 100% of their insurance. I don't even know where you start with something like that.
James R Hoffa January 15, 2012 at 07:56 PM
@Bren - "Or pay for Mrs. Walker to order public employees around like serfs (if the rumours (sic) are true)" Now, you're basing your so-called 'facts' on mere ‘rumours’ (sic)! And yet you have the audacity to continue to call yourself an 'independent.' Give it up already Bren! Anyone with any brains at all that have followed your posts is able to realize that you're nothing more than a Daily Kos, Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz promoting leftist. Also, if you haven't done so already, I'd like to invite you to check out my first film review as a part of a new feature that I started, Hoffa's Retro Cinema Club, over on the Mount Pleasant-Sturtevant and Caledonia Patches. http://mountpleasant.patch.com/blog_posts/hoffas-retro-cinema-club-among-giants-1998 Thanks, --JRH
CowDung January 16, 2012 at 02:30 PM
It must be that 'new' math they are teaching these days, Bob. Leslie: I'm not sure how bumping up the contribution levels to 12.5% (what you are calling 'paying twice') brings the percentage up to '100%'. What percentage of a public employee's health insurance am I (along with thousands of other private sector taxpayers) paying?


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