Was Angry White Dude's post really that bad? I can understand deleting his post(s) if they were super hateful, incited a violent response, or perpetuated a clealry anti-social and destructive message. Or, are you saying that his comment was deleted solely because his user name ("Angry White Dude") violates the terms of service?

If that's the case, then I wish to appeal on behalf of Angry White Dude, as perhaps such interpretation of the terms of service is being a little too 'PC'?

I know that he's not always very articulate, but often times, AWD does make valid points, has valid concerns, and actually does contribute substance (as well as entertainment) to the discussion.

So, I humbly ask that you please reconsider your position regarding AWD on future postings.

Thank you for your consideration!

JRH:

I read the posts prior to their deletion. They were not by AWD, but instead by a blogger by the name of "F#@% You (unedited)." The posts were deleted because of the blogger's name, not because of the underlying content.

With further regard to the underlying content, such content did not appear to violate Patch's blogging requirements (i.e., the content was not threatening, profane or patently offensive).

@patchreader 123 -

I gottcha! Thanks for the info! I guess I just presumed it was AWD because of the way his comments almost always seem to be deleted from the Patch, although I’m still unsure if he’s doing the deletion himself or if it’s the Patch admins that are doing it.

It isn't all partisan. And I have read more than...what 7...articles in the past months. Those are examples. I do not live in a bubble. In fact - since Feb, most of the MSM has been biased towards the right. So, I have been equally exposed.

True and this "opinion piece" is a regurgitation act of what we've heard from the far left since Feb. Just because people continue to repeat something over , and over, and over doesn't automatically make it true.

Considering that you purposely chose such biased stuff to use as examples, I question if you just filtered out everything that doesn't agree with your predetermined position when 'forming' your opinion. This is also shown by the number of misrepresentations presented in your article.

Where do you gather YOUR information from? Which wholly nonpartisan newsgroup is feeding you?

"Thanks to our House and Senate, we can have a Capitol Building filled with gun toting visitors. But you may be arrested if you’re packing a camera or holding a sign" <---------- Um Hum. That is sure in hell isn't the problem or issue to rail our current Governor and house and senate. Just so we are clear on this;

January 23, 2009 - Introduced by Wisconsin Senators Decker, Risser and Hansen. Referred to Committee on Senate Organization: http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2009/related/proposals/sr2
"
(1) Shall be quiet at all times.
(2) Shall be seated at all times.
(3) May not lean over or put any object over the balcony.
(4) May not display signs. If an individual brings a sign to the chamber, the sign shall be left in the gallery vestibule.
(5) May not read books or newspapers.
(6) May not consume food or beverages.
(7) May not use tobacco products.
(8) Shall turn off all cellular telephones and pagers.
(9) May not use a laptop or other computer.
(10) May not photograph any of the proceedings in the chamber.
"

Not a right? You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney...blah blah..you have the right of way... you are given the right to do many things. Did she say sovereign right? constitutional right? Collective Bargaining was a 'right' as in...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights...[rights are the fundamental normative rules about what is allowed of people or owed to people, according to some legal system, social convention, or ethical theory.] THEY WERE RIGHTS. Now you can argue they were WRONG RIGHTS. but they were rights sanctioned and acknowledged by our government. State sanctioned. Aren't you guys all about State's rights? huh? what? Why don't YOU look it up and why don't YOU read the whole thing, you may come to a deeper understanding. Thanks.

also about the assembly. you obfuscated.

She didn't refer to a historical context... she is saying it seems illogical to allow guns, when signs and cameras are not allowed.

ummm...robin if you use wikipedia...you have NO credibility. As everyone knows wiki can be manipulated. It allows you to add whatever content you wish. I even saw where someone added a new amendment to the Constitution that abolishes the Constitution.

Robin what exactly what that link suppose to be? If you want to sit and spin of exactly what Heather said, be my guest. It was already made rather clear and quite frankly Collective bargaining is not a "right". Both Duane and I have pointed out exactly why it is not. Unfortunately for the rest of us living in the real world. You also have a right to remain right stupid.

RECALL WALKER!

Walker 2012!!

Wisconsin proudly stood above the 48 other states that would allow such a marketing ploy by the gun manufacturers to fool them into so such folly. It is a Wild West mentality that brings anyone to desire such a law in the first place... don't you think? Why else would you want a law like this? You're the one with fear and wild west mentality. We are trying to abate that by not allowing conceal carry. The reason the gun manufacturers prefer conceal over open is the pure psychological beauty of it all. How many more guns are they going to sell when everyone can 'see' that no one is packing. No, what they need is the imagination aspect.. Who could be carrying.. ANYONE! oh dear! now I need to BUY a gun.. or maybe TWO.. or THREE!

Again robin...where is the wild west...i used to live there so i can tell you have never spent much time there..if any at all. As an over the road truck driver have have spent time in many different states. Never did i see a problems with CC. And as a resident of Arizona where people open carry, i saw even less of in issue. It was just normal to see it. So my advice to you would be to open that closed little mind of yours and go with the flow!

I love the fact that Robin comes on here crying about rights in one situation and tries to deny and or protest other "rights" in another situation. Robin, the second amendment is very clear. "Shall Not Infringe"

blah, blah, blah...
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/topindivs.php?id=D000000186&Display=SC&ContribID=U0000003477

and???????????????????????

here is hint there #78 on that list. If you want to sit and bitch about too much money and lobbying in politics , have at it . Let's just make sure we are clear on both sides and the money that is involved before you start crying .

Congrats on being a responsible parent, not all are. Racine ha the second highest teen birth rate in the state....so SOMEONE in't doing what they should.

Sex is a fact of life. You're here because if it, I'm here because of it... One of the BIG facts of life is that there are 7 BILLION people on this planet. Birth control needs to be implemented, or War... it seems the wars are more popular with the right wing radicals. Education about responsible sexual activity, whether it is abstinence or rhythm, or birth control, or STD prevention. Denial is not the way to go here. Sex happens. Live with it.

wow this robin is something else...really? are you saying that the government should have measures to limit child birth....for the fear of war? I will agree sex happens...that is NOT the point here. The point is we need to get some values back in our lives. We should be teaching our youth that sex has consequences and that there is a price to pay. Whether it is pregnancy or std or a host of other issues. It doesn't matter. What matters is it might be better to wait until you are better "equipped":to deal with these issues. And that is NOT being taught in our schools or homes. With the exception of a few good parents!

I’ve addressed concealed carry in the past so I won’t comment on it further, except to say that if you believe it was done only because of lobbyists interest being served, then why isn’t requiring safe-sex education in public schools only resultant of lobbyist interest by the prophylactic and drug industries? I thought that Rayne’s world hated hypocrisy, right? You may want to try again on this one, as I think you’re being a bit hypocritical here.

And as far as the abstinence only education is concerned, that’s not how the bill works and you know it – so all you’re doing here is perpetuating liberal lies and propaganda. The bill returns choice to local school districts and communities to decide what and how to teach regarding sex-ed, which has the added benefit of encouraging parental involvement in the process as opposed to Big Daddy Doyle and the Democrats centralized dictatorship of the issue.

You’re not being very open, honest, or fair here at all. And yet, it’s you and liberals who are claiming that Walker and the Republicans are dividing the state. Honestly, when’s the last time you’ve seen groups of Republicans / Conservatives banging drums, blowing horns, and shouting “shame, shame, shame” when a Democrat was making a scheduled speech or appearance? Did you see this happening at all when Doyle and the Dems were illegally raiding segregated funds, raising taxes contrary to their campaign promises, etc? I don’t think so, as I can’t recall any. In fact, all I’ve heard from Walker and the Republicans lately is ‘let’s work together,’ while the Dems are more interested in promoting this recall effort. So, who’s really dividing the state here? Let’s be honest, shall we?

Well said!

Ditto. Excellently put patchreader123!

Kudos to you and your observations!

The reason I explained this was due to a comment which is now deleted. Just as FYI.

"most MSM is right leaning these days"

oO Really? Are you so far left that everything looks right?

"In fact, I have listened to liberal media many times when I have just rolled my eyes at the nonsense."

This is the very point I am trying to make regarding your piece.

My intent is not to insult or disrespect you. I generally enjoy reading your pieces, even if I do not agree with them. However, reading this piece was like drinking a glass if vinegar, the same vinegar that is served daily by Ed Schultz, Glenn Beck and all of the other worthless "entertainers" who depend upon partisan argument for a living.

@patchreader 123 -

The problem is, when you've already made up your mind on an issue, firmly believe in the position you've taken, and are unwilling to subject your opinion to logical critique and analysis, you don't even realize your own hypocrisy or just how flimsy the basis for that opinion maybe - such as those that are based on nothing more than recycled talking points, propaganda, and rhetoric.

And as you've stated, such observation is meant with no disrespect. In fact, call it constructive criticism to help HRG become a better writer in the future. I don't mind her opinion one way or the other and ultimately respect her opinion for what it is, even though I may disagree with it, just as I often do. What I don't like is how she reached and supported this opinion in her 'analysis' and 'justifications,' if you can even call them that.

In fact, I don’t think she’d be getting beaten up as badly as she is in the comments section if she was more thoughtful, logical, and supportive in the analysis and justification part of the piece. In fact, there isn't a single comment in support of this piece within the comments section as of yet.

But hey, that’s just my two cents, for whatever they’re worth! :-)

JRH:

Long story short, this piece suprised me in view of her previous, below piece:

http://caledonia.patch.com/articles/the-wooziness-of-hypocrisy

......which is why I asked her if she woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

@HRG and Steve -

I think that HRG is confusing the recent extra coverage of the GOP by the MSM, due to the fact that there is a GOP primary contest for the Presidential nomination, as indicating that the MSM is "right leaning these days." A very faulty conclusion and no where near the reality of the situation. The handling of the recent Herman Cain sexual-harassment saga is proof of this. Additionally, it helps the MSM take time and focus away from the recent Obama scandals, such as Solyndra and other failed or misplaced green program initiatives, DOJ spending, Operation Fast and Furious, crony and corporate interests receiving special favors from the administration, etc.

Solyndra brings up another point I’d like to make, as some people can’t understand why I think Jimmy Carter was so much better than Obama. When Carter talked going green, he put his money where his mouth was and actually walked the walk by having solar panels installed on the roof of the White House (which were later taken down by Reagan). At least Carter had such conviction and belief in his agenda that he was willing to lead by example, and that’s respectable. However the only thing we’ve ever gotten from Obama is ‘do as I say, but not as I do.’ The Obamacare waivers scandal is a perfect example of this. And that’s why Obama needs to go in a worse way than when Carter needed to go. I hope this helps to explain my respect for Carter and my disdain for Obama.

@patchreader 123 -

Yeah, I too had hoped and believed that her writing was 'progressing,' to use one of her favorite political catch words, but this piece clearly indicates a 'regression' greater than the case she tries to lay out for being against Walker. Truly unbelievable!

Well HGR...you need to go sit in a class or two at Gilmore Middle school. When my daughter was there she brought home a permission slip seeking permission to teach her how to put a condom on. Using a bananna. They also said while performing oral sex ...they should spit it out. I was met by the police at the front door that day. And that was several years ago! I can't even how bad it is now! Soi tell youir teacher friends to quit lying!

LOL .......................................that's quite the backpedal. I think we all knew what you meant with that comment, Heather. Let's look at it again and I quote "the attack on their right to collectively bargain. " If you want sit here and play the childish little game of " Oh that's not what I meant". You have it, Mmkay? You were pretty clear on your statement and what you were implying there.

THEY ARE NOT RIGHTS!!!!! Why is this so hard to understand. These were negotiated DECADES AGO. AND SINCE THEY WERE FIRST PUT IN PLACE BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT...THEY WERE removed BY THE FEDERAL GIVERNMENT. Jimmy Carter TOOK THESE AGREEMENTS AWAY IN THE 1970'S! so PLEASE CRY ME A RIVER...they are not rights!!!!!

@HRG -

First off, the so-called self-declared 'rights' that you are giving examples of are not rights at all - they are PRIVILEGES granted to certain people and premised upon certain specific reasons. After all, if you're calling the fact that "some club members have the right to swim in a private pool[,]" a 'right,' then I guess you also believe that driving a car is a 'right' as well, as opposed to being a mere privilege, which in fact it actually is. You may want to check the definitions of these two words and compare and contrast before commenting further or giving out any more ridiculous examples than you already have.

“In fact, I don’t read a lot of other liberal opinion pieces.”

Are you being absolutely honest here? Your facebook 'likes' show you as being a follower of many liberal publications, not to mention the fact that you’ve made it well known here on Patch that you follow liberal blogs, such as the Root River Siren, and predominantly watch the left-wing pundits on MS-NBC. However, I’ve yet to see you associated with any right-wing groups on facebook, nor have I ever seen you mentioning watching any of the Fox News pundits. Let’s be honest in our discourse here, please.

They are always referred to as 'Collective Bargaining Rights' ... Under the CONTRACT the unions had with the state we had rights. It was decided by ALEC and the Koch brothers that those rights didn't serve the TEMP-SLAVE paradigm they'd like to create in this country. Our standard of living is too high. So in order to really get the next tier of wage to decline, they had to get that damn Union thing taken care of. So under the guise of a 'Budget Crisis' brought on I would add from not bringing in enough REVENUE to pay for the services retained, they swooped in and convinced naive Tea Party people that it was the 'evil state worker and slovenly teacher' that was creating the problem! And they fell for it hook-line-and-sinker. Really all it was meant to do was drive down private sector pay too and galvanize the already begun TEMP-SLAVE empire. RECALL WALKER!

again robin...what did the public sector union lose? They still get ALL of their civil service protections and they still get a cos of living increase every year. The only things they can't do is bargain for pensions and health care. They are also going to have to certify the union every year. (if the "brotherhood" is so strong, that won't be a issue) And they have to write a check instead of the employer.

oh.. I think this is a little game of tit for tat.. and what about the smoking compensation? oh shit.. that was just a little bit of money there...
and btw.. Wasn't there a bill (written by ALEC) on torte reform just passed? Oh.. well, what are those poor uncompensated victims going to do now?

again robin...are you aware that ALEC is both Reuplicans and dems?

Chris, just because you want to be an exploited worker, doesn't mean the rest of us want to be. Good luck with that new standard of living you're advocating.

wow robin is nuts...the only exploited people are those who choose to not care.

That's true compassion GearHead... I'll recommend you to the Dali Lama tomorrow for monkhood. oy.
btw, can I just come and take 8% out of your wages today. I feel you are making too much. Thanks.

umm robin...how about the 24% they taken from me...how about the match that was taken from my 401k. What about my health care that i pay 54% of the total cost. What a fool you are!

opps *have taken

8%? What a laugh. I contribute 100% to my health insurance, and 100% to my retirement accounts. Whatever I don't contribute today, I have to do double tomorrow to make up. How utterly obtuse can you be? Any other arguments, Robin?

@GearHead -

Nice compare and contrast of the differences of character and integrity between the Tea Party and the new liberal left movements! One could say that the OWS and 99%'s are almost starting to resemble those rioting in Greece right now – especially in the recent Oakland demonstrations. These are some very scary times for our country, all courtesy of Obama: The Great Divider!

No one trashed the Capitol. A lie. I was there. There was EXTREME care and respect for that beautiful building and the precepts and principles it symbolizes. No one there did any damage to the building.
No one is burning down Oakland. You watch to much FOX.
Turn off the television and go out into the world, if you had been at the Capitol, you would have seen the reverence for the building and our Democracy and the democratic process that the people there have. You can't just demonize one group of people and say they are to blame for all your problems. Is it really teachers? State workers? really?
You think your taxes are too high? is that the beef? you think it is because of state employees?
Who runs the prisons, takes care of the roads, those are private companies subcontracted by the state.. with bids, but it is still tax money. Do you really need that roundabout? those traffic lights? It's ridiculous to target middle class people.
Your taxes are too high.. and btw... aren't going to go down because of this radical agenda of Walker and the Koch bros...because Corporates don't pay taxes on the wealth that comes from them using our infrastructure. They claim because they 'create jobs' that they should be immune from taxation -- they are also using our resources to make wealth.

more BS from robin. Did you see the original copy of the State Constitution? It was on a pedestal, under glass,. It was being used as a table. Something spilled and ran off. As it ran over the edge some was soaked up by the paper. It is now at the Milwaukee Public Museum getting repaired. There is no estimate of damage yet. When the Constitution is repaired the numbers will be released. And what about the bathroom stall doors being ripped off the hinges? Or what about the urine stains on the men's room floor? See i was there also. And i have proof of it all!

@Robin -

Not to mention the broken doors and windows when the protestors stormed the building. And what about the mud pit that the protestors made of the beautiful capitol lawn?

I didn't see any of the protestors come forward with a check to repair any of the damages that they caused during their little temper tantrum.

Try again Robin. And you may want to try toning down the propaganda and rhetoric a little or at least save it for those who appreciate such over on the Daily Kos!

Who do you think made the private sector such a crap place for jobs? Democrats? I'm sorry, the very people you are working for, the very people you are defending are the ones who gutted the private sector of honest paying, decent benefit, full time employment? The Republican policies over the last 30 years have driven down wages in the private sector for white collar workers and have stagnated the wages and benefits of blue collar and service sector jobs. So what do you do? You in your immense knowledge of commerce and your apparent love of getting screwed over VOTE these people into office, because you are angry that the 'public' employees have it so much better. But isn't it just that the degradation of wages and benefits has been delayed in that sector? and did you think for one minute that those wages and benefits have helped to keep private sector wages where they are? Don't you see that when they succeed in eroding the public wage/benefit they can drive the private wages down even further? [Which they are doing now with not hiring FULL time positions, just hiring PART time or TEMP positions.]

As a matter of fact robin...the President and his staff aer making it worse. If you don't believe me...ask any Boeing employee who might lose their job because Boeing moves to Mexico. And why would they do that....because Boeing wants to build a plant in South Carolina...a right to work state. The dems (obummer himself and eric holder have filed a law suit) and the unions are doing everything they can to kill that plant from opening. By the way...it would be about 2900 jobs with an average income of 61k a year.

Yes UnionIronworker... their job IS trolling. They are paid to troll and do what they do.. drive moderate Americans nutty and somehow make those moderate viewpoints seem extreme. It is merely and exercise in contrasts. I hope every MODERATE working American who has been made to look and feel extreme by these EXTREME radicals on the right will read THE ART OF WAR. Take it to heart, and use it against them for PEACE. First rule -- Know your enemy. And don't let your enemy DEFINE you.

I get paid to troll? my evil koch check? Your tin foil beanie is a little snug there "Robin Good".

I have a job...and I earned my postion by my work ethic...not by paying for it.

I wondered the same thing....

Say goodbye to Walker. I will get you each a box of tissues, if need be.

The dirty hippies AREN'T the anarchists — it's the guys in the 3-piece suits.

RECALL WALKER AND THE HORSE HE RODE IN ON!!!!

robin...your a pea brained idiot...just for an example..the I-94 project. EVERY SINGLE MAN AND WOMAN ON THAT JOB IS A UNION MEMBER!!!! In fact they are getting a higher pay rate for being on a federal and state project. What a idiot you are. It is called prevailing pay, ask iron worker...he should know exactly what i am talking about.

Nice name calling, DUANE.

Charlie you're rather naive sitting in your CWA union. That attitutude of union workers is very wide spread. What's that old cliche? Actions speak louder then words? Take a long look in this state since Feb.

Sure Charlie , I get paid in Johnsonville Brats, Miller products, and Kwik Trip gas cards. Hell sometimes they even throw in some misc. evil Koch brother products for me. I'll be sure to note that sarcasm next time for everyone.

They should pay you. You spend a lot of time on here.

@Robin Kruk -

"plus his desire to rule everything in the state over local rule."

How does giving more power to local level governments actually consolidate power in Walker, as you suggest? This makes absolutely no sense! I guess you preferred Big Daddy Doyle and the Dems who actually used legislation to centralize power over social issues at the state level. Walker is merely correcting that situation by returning the power back to the local level, where it rightfully belongs.

Also, your opinion lost any credibility it may have once held when you were going around calling your opposition names like "bullies," instead of intelligently and logically supporting and arguing your opinions.

Go back to the Daily Kos where your propaganda and rhetoric is appreciated!

http://cognidissidence.blogspot.com/2011/11/walkergate-pay-for-play-continues-to.html

Sunday, November 6,

Walkergate: Pay For Play Continues To Pay Off

... one of the bills that Scott Walker and his cohorts in the legislature rammed through was to mandate that road work could no longer be done by public sector workers but had instead to be farmed out to private vendors. This was done despite findings that private contractors were costing even the state's Department of Transportation millions of dollars more than they would have spent if the work was done by public sector workers. The bill was so fraudulent that even Republican Senator Mike Ellis called it outrageous.

....the real reason why Walker wanted this passed was so badly - to benefit their campaign donors.

An example

.......

Here's the issue as Nelson described it: Outagamie County recently solicited quotes for paint striping 2.5 miles of County Road P. Under the old law, it would have cost $500 to $700 by using Calumet County's equipment and crew under a reciprocal agreement.

Those types of agreements are limited now under state law in an attempt by Republican legislators to push contracts to private businesses.

After Outagamie County solicited quotes from private vendors, only one was made. Century Fence, ..., quoted $3,935 for the work, or more than five times the cost under the reciprocal agreement with Calumet County.

ha ha,
Look in the mirror. You are the one having the temper tantrum.
Have a good day.

running around the capitol having temper tan drum after temper tantrum and harassing republican politicians daily is not democracy is action. No matter how hard you sit here and try to spin it.