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No Ryan Means No 1st Congressional District Debate

Thursday's Patch/WGTD debate for the 1st Congressional District is cancelled.

The Patch/WGTD Radio Oct. 25 debate featuring the candidates for the 1st Congressional District is off.

Patch sent an email to Rep. Paul Ryan, Democrat Rob Zerban and Libertarian Keith Deschler this morning letting them know the debate is cancelled.

After an originally tentative date of Oct. 11, we had to issue a new invitation for Oct. 25 after Ryan was chosen as Republican Mitt Romney's running mate. Ryan debated Vice President Joe Biden on Oct. 11.

Kevin Seifert, Ryan's congressional campaign manager, wrote to Patch and asked us to consider alternatives if Ryan was unable to participate in person because of his schedule as the vice presidential candidate.

“I would be glad to discuss any alternatives so voters can hear where Congressman Ryan stands on the issues of importance in this election,” wrote Seifert.

After conferring with WGTD and the technical experts at Gateway Technical College in Racine, we offered two options: appear via Skype/video feed or have a campaign representative read a statement at the beginning of the debate.

All candidates were also invited to distribute campaign literature on a table.

Given the expected audience if the debate were a go, Gateway officials asked a group of public employees to move their pension seminar so the venue could accomodate an overflow crowd if necessary.

While we waited to hear whether or not Ryan would take us up on the offer, Patch also issued an invitation to Deschler to participate.

But, Zerban's campaign sent an email to Patch saying Zerban would not participate in an "empty chair" debate and that he would only participate in the same manner in which Ryan would participate.

"We are not backing out. If Congressman Ryan attends, Mr. Zerban will attend. If Ryan sends a spokesman, we will send a spokesman," wrote TJ Helmstetter, Zerban's senior communications director. "If Ryan wants to Skype, we will Skype. But we expect the same rules to apply to both viable candidates in this election."

Helmstetter confirmed during a phone call that the campaign does not consider Deschler a viable candidate and Zerban would not participate without Ryan.

We expected to hear from the Ryan campaign last Friday or by yesterday at the very latest. When Monday passed without word, Patch conferred with WGTD and we made the decision to cancel the debate.

After receiving our email, both the Ryan and Zerban campaigns issued statements.

Seifert pointed out that Ryan is following historical precedent:

We respect the decision made by Patch.com to cancel the proposed candidate forum on October 25, 2012.  Earlier this month, Congressman Ryan debated Vice President Joe Biden giving voters in Wisconsin’s 1st District an opportunity to hear Congressman Ryan articulate his vision for our country’s future, speak to the principled solutions he’s offered in the House of Representatives, and provide specifics on what can be done to get our economy growing. The historical precedent established by Democratic Vice Presidential nominees like Lloyd Bentsen, Joe Lieberman, and Joe Biden – who were also simultaneously running for reelection to Congress - has been to participate in the Vice Presidential debate only. Congressman Ryan has followed this precedent.

Zerban campaign manager Al Benninghoff called out Ryan for not respecting the voters of the 1st District:

We’re deeply disappointed that Congressman Ryan has turned his back on the people of this district to advance his political ambitions. His radical plans to kill Medicare, privatize social security, and gut student loans are not designed to help the middle class. They are designed to help Paul Ryan's wealthy donors. If he can make time to come to Wisconsin for those big moneyed donors, then he could have made time for the voters of southeast Wisconsin. This news confirms what Wisconsinites have long suspected—Paul Ryan is walking on our backs to make a place for himself in the White House.

Deschler sent Patch an email expressing his disappointment, but not his surprise.

(I'm) sad that it happened, but I am not surprised. Zerban is not concerned about debating me, if he cannot get the big prize, which is obviously Paul Ryan.

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GearHead October 23, 2012 at 08:04 pm
@Heather: Instead of fussing over a missed opportunity (because everyone else will cut Ryan some slack for being picked for VP), why not do a follow-up on the legislative debate from last night? Now THATwas an eye-opener, given Albrecht's penchant for incoherent rambling.
GearHead October 23, 2012 at 08:10 pm
Bren, Ryan was at his best schooling Obama in budget, medicare and social security issues a couple years ago. You probably forgot that. As well as nuking Biden while he laughed like a clown. As for your obsession with Rand, get a grip. I like her views on capitalism as well. Neither Ryan or I cared about her religious views, which aren't relevant. Do you like to discriminate against the non-believers?
James R Hoffa October 23, 2012 at 08:16 pm
Patch's state level forum last night at Case HS was fantastic!
James R Hoffa October 23, 2012 at 08:17 pm
@Bren -
Honestly, your comment was so idiotic that it's not even worth a substantive response.
James R Hoffa October 23, 2012 at 08:30 pm
Hey everyone, be sure to check out Hoffa's list of the Top 10 original songs made specifically for use in your favorite horror movies:
http://mountpleasant.patch.com/blog_posts/hoffas-top-10-horror-movie-songs And don't forget to leave a comment!
Heather Asiyanbi (Editor) October 23, 2012 at 08:47 pm
Thanks, Hoffa! I missed most of it because I had to run out to the I for the plane crash, but I'm listening to the audio on WGTD to catch up. I heard it went really well.
James R Hoffa October 23, 2012 at 09:01 pm
@Heather A -
Yeah, Denise informed us on the live chat that you had to run out to cover that story - Hoffa wished you well on your assignment ;-)
Avenging Angel October 23, 2012 at 09:15 pm
It is VERY important for everyone to remember to vote Ryan for congress. Even when he wins the VP slot, we will lose his seat to Z man if we don't vote for him for congress.
It is not an either/or thing. When Ryan wins the VP and the Congressional seat, a special election for the Congressional seat must be held. I guess Z will get another chance for the seat, but there are plenty of good Republican candidates for the job. Remember: Vote Ryan for VP AND Congress!!
Brian Dey October 23, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Bren is just bitter because the trough is about to run dry. That's okay Bren. I'm sure someone of your superior intellect can get a meal at the soup kitchen. We'll pray for you...
Brian Dey October 23, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Zerban? Who is he? Never heard of the guy...
Heather Asiyanbi (Editor) October 23, 2012 at 10:16 pm
@Gearhead - this is not "fussing," but it is a missed opportunity for voters. I am not cutting Rep. Ryan any slack just like I feel like Mr. Zerban has missed a chance to speak to voters even if the congressman can't be present.
Heather Asiyanbi (Editor) October 23, 2012 at 10:17 pm
I saw that - thank you!
Bren October 23, 2012 at 10:21 pm
You never disappoint me...
; )
GearHead October 24, 2012 at 12:37 am
He missed a chance to speak to the voters? No need to worry Heather. I'm pretty sure the SEIU, AFSCME, WEAC, REA, trial lawyers, the tribes and many others will be speaking up for Zerban shortly.
Jason Patzfahl October 24, 2012 at 01:18 am
NONE of the Republicans in this district want to debate their Democratic challengers, even at the state level, including Representative Jeff Stone (challenged by Kathy Wied Vincent) or State Senator Mary Lazich (challenged by Jim Ward).
James R Hoffa October 24, 2012 at 01:28 am
@Patzfahl -
There was just a candidate forum last night at JI Case HS in Racine featuring Robin Vos, Pam Stevens, and Tom Weatherson against their respective Democratic opponents, Kelley Albrecht, Bob Wirch, and Melissa Lemke. Do you even know what you're talking about?
Keith R. Deschler October 24, 2012 at 01:43 am
I don't know if I expose Zerban for being an "empty suit" or not. but I do expose his major flip flopping on the budget cuts. He goes to a conservative leaning forum in Fontana and trots out the "2 to 1" ratio of spending cuts to tax hikes, like a good "Clinton moderate", then he goe on public radio (right before my interview with Ben Merens) and pushes this hard left "people's budget", which takes $1.7 trillion in budget cuts and spends them on public works "stimulus", with $3.9 trillion in major tax hikes on the wealthy. Real pro-business, pro-jobs creation, pro-private sector guy.
James R Hoffa October 24, 2012 at 01:50 am
Mr. Deschler - trust Hoffa!
Zerban was afraid to debate you because he knew that you'd make him look like the stooge he truly is. Are you considering running for the GOP nomination for the seat in the upcoming special election after Ryan safely retains the seat while also becoming our next Vice President?
Keith R. Deschler October 24, 2012 at 10:28 am
JR...I will NOT run as a Repub, because I am NOT a Repub! While I respect the Pauls (Ron and Rand), Justin Amash (Ron Paul supporting congressman from Michigan), and other pro-liberty members of the GOP, I would be supporting a lot of politicians and policies that do not get us to a minimal government, maximum freedom society. Gary Johnson saw that when he tried in the GOP presidential primaries (and he was my initial choice for that nomination, BTW), he realized that it just wasn't a friendly place for smaller government types like him. I don't see the Libertarian Party as a practice field to become a serious candidate later on in the GOP. As for Zerban, I think he's a competent small businessman and a good cook, but I think he wants to cook the books with his "people's Budget", and it just doesn't taste right to blend a lot of socialist ingredients into his "New Democrat" stew, and think that it will taste good, or even be healthy! I wish he (and Ryan) would go back to the #1 rule of good cooking...."simple food, done right". I offer that menu, and neither of them do, unfortunately.
Keith R. Deschler October 24, 2012 at 10:45 am
...as for the "viability" line, that's just the big party's silly notion that having lots of special interest $$$ and donors and volunteers , and lots of personal wealth to enable you to be a full time candidate, make syou "viable". I detest and reject that notion. I did the legwork to get on the ballot, and I am getting my message out to many venues.I do have to work to survive, and I may not have much in the campaign kitty, and I may be running on a third party line that many still are not familiar with. But I am available for people to vote for on November 6. I am not a write-in candidate, I am registered with the state elections board.Zerban doesn't want to defend his proposals with me, since I will ask basically, which Rob Zerban are we voting for? The sensible budget cutter, or the tax and spender supreme?
Greg Burmeister October 24, 2012 at 10:51 am
Not to worry, when Ryan loses his VP bid and the congressional seat, he will become one of the 47% that Romney doesn't care about.
Keith R. Deschler October 24, 2012 at 12:46 pm
I have just called on both Ryan and Zerban to debate on October 29 at Kenosha Gateway. Zerban and I both committed to that one back in August. Zerban is missing out on one golden opportunity to show his commitment to the 1st district by cancelling out on Thursday, and if he cancels out for Monday, he basically says to the voters that if I can't get Ryan there, then I don't want to inform voters about myself and my vision for the district and nation. I won't take away any opportunity that I have to explain my views to anyone. If I have a forum scheduled, I will be there. Rob could have easily said that "I was there, Keith Deschler was there. Why weren't YOU there, Paul"?.
James R Hoffa October 24, 2012 at 05:42 pm
@Mr. Deschler -
Hoffa admires and respects your commitment and steadfastness to your principles. Hoffa is usually a third party voter - previously registered with the Reform Party, but would also regularly voter Libertarian as well as Constitutional. Hoffa commends you for fighting the good fight - please don't ever give up!
Keith R. Deschler October 25, 2012 at 01:34 am
thanks JR....and keep on voting for the alternatives. I was in the Reform Party, was too much Perot, and then Buchanan took over, and it died. Taxpayers/Constitution? some OK folks there(Chuck Balddwin, Rob Taylor in WI, Virgil Goode this time for POTUS). But too much the religious right version of constitutionalism...and tilts too much toward theocracy. Not my idea of "Christian liberty". The LP is moving in a more sensible , gradualist direction, but the goals of minimal govt and maximum freedom are still there.
Keith Best October 25, 2012 at 03:49 am
Zerban is still running an ad that the Milw. paper rated "Pants on Fire Liar" . Zerban lies that Ryan wants to end Medicare. That is nowhere near the truth. Ryan wants to save Medicare for future generations, for it is not sustainable in its current form.
Keith R. Deschler October 25, 2012 at 10:43 am
Zerban is showing that he is a typical politician. Especially the lberals like him show that they have to exaggerate what a conservative is doing with their proposals. I do not exaggerate with either man. I simply state that Zerban wants to expand Medicare, raise taxes substantially on those above $250k (income and FICA), keep the $500 tax hike coming in 2014 for ObamaCare, keep BO Care AND turn it into Medicare for ALL, and pass this massive increase in big government known as "the people's budget".
Ryan is probably closer in his heart of hearts to what Gary Johnson, Joe Kexel(US Senate candidate), and myself are proposing. He does understand free market economics, and has crunched the CBO numbers to death. But he, like so many GOP stars before him (Reagan was a prime example) ended up having to overly compromise their principles because they did not want to be "Goldwatered". (You remember the line one of my heroes, Barry Goldwater made in 1964 about making Social security voluntary? The GOP has been running away from that ever since, although with Dubya Bush trying to phase in a "partial privatization", and at least a few candidate like Gary Johnson and Ron Paul touching that "third rail" in their campaigns, along with Ryan's modest reforms, they are at least trying to do what they should have done years ago. My beef with Ryan is that he takes so long to balance the stinkin' budget, and he leaves a lot of wasteful spending on the table, waiting to be cut.
Keith R. Deschler October 25, 2012 at 10:45 am
oops...$5000 tax hike for Obama Care. Just a typo. Close to $500 per month, per household. And that hits a lot further down the economic totem poll than the folks out in North Bay, Wind Point, etc.
Keith R. Deschler October 25, 2012 at 10:56 am
I think that Zerban does fear that I am on to his flip flops, which I noticed right away when I heard him talk about his "People's Budget" on the "At Issue" program with Ben Merens, on Wisconsin Public Radio. I wish that someone would grill Rob on this obvious flip flop, which I am sure that most Democrats would not even notice, since they are all onto his "Medicare for All", "Ryan destroys Medicare", "Restore Public Investments", "Make the rich pay their fair share" crapola. He is trying to sell the strange line that one can be a small business entrepreneur, make a fortune at it, retire at age 40, and then become a big spend, high tax "progressive" who would have done just as well with expanded socialist redistribution. He wants to bring some of that wealth down to "the People" not through reducing the welfare state, but expanding it royally. Hardly pro-business and pro-working class, when you get right down to it.
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