Former President Bill Clinton in Milwaukee Friday for Tom Barrett

James R Hoffa June 1, 2012 at 04:07 pm

@Randy1949 -
"Shared sacrifice, with everyone being brought to the table." What does that mean exactly? Is Barrett going to raise taxes? How is Barrett, as Governor, going to negotiate with union locals on an individual school district / municipality basis all over the state, as he claimed he would last night? And if he did, wouldn't that be a severe overreach of the powers of Governor, not to mention a usurping of local elected leaders' power? Is Barrett going to undo the property tax freeze? What is Barrett going to cut from the budget to alleviate the deficit? In the last debate, Barrett slammed Walker for restructuring some of the state's previously acquired debt. How will Barrett approach the issue regarding our previously acquired debt? Will Barrett refrain from issuing new public debt offerings on the Wisconsin credit card, as Walker has thus far? Barrett refuses to answer ALL of these questions - WHY??? If we look at his record in Milwaukee, for guidance, here is how we can answer these questions: Raise taxes - YES, and significantly Unions - Give them everything they want Property tax freeze - That will be dust in the wind Budget cuts - None Restructuring debt - All of it New debt - At record levels So, let me ask you this Randy - why do you hate our future generations so much for that you'd vote for Barrett, a man who will undoubtedly saddle them with even more of our debts and current problems?

Hornswaggle June 1, 2012 at 04:08 pm

Good point Patriot, Bill Was nearly Impeached and Mr. Walker will be, or nearly be, recalled from his appointment as governor next Tuesday. If Mr Walker is recalled, will that disqualify him from future speaking opportunities? Probably not, life goes on. NAFTA? Mexico, Canada, and the U.S. The Jobs that I've noticed leaving this nation are going to China, Bangladesh, Viet Nam. All the stuff that used to be made in Japan is now made in China. If you don't like Bill Clinton, don't go see him. Don't listen to what he has to say. Turn on Fox news and Rush, I'm sure they'll only include sound bites that support your preferred beliefs. Unfortunately, I won't be able to see Bill in person, I have to get on off-to-work, so you'all have a nice afternoon. Hugs!

James R Hoffa June 1, 2012 at 04:11 pm

@Randy1949 -
MrsPeel started with the crass personal remarks (see one below regarding Sara Conrad that is utterly despicable), and yet you call Craig out first, but not MrsPeel what-so-ever. What gives?

Patriot June 1, 2012 at 04:13 pm

@Horns-Seriously? Why do you progressive left leaning liberals convict those who have not even been charged with a crime. My god this investigation has been going on for 2 years now and Walker has not been named in anything. Why do u continue to keep spewing hot air and slinging mud hoping it will stick.
Amazing!!! As for fox news yes absolutely they talk about the stuff the left leaning media does not want the public to know. That was proven when the 911 tapes of Zimmerman were played on the air and most of the conversation was cut out!!! Bad news there hornswaggle Gov Walker will lead this State forward after Tuesday!!! Then what?

Hornswaggle June 1, 2012 at 04:15 pm

I'm glad you have discovered, and enjoy, the name I've chosen. It'll never stand up there with libtard, communist, left-wing-nut-job etc. but what's in a name? "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." I'm sure by whatever name I choose, a way would be found to make it derogatory in meaning wouldn't it?

Randy1949 June 1, 2012 at 04:18 pm

@JRH -- What gives? I had 147 messages in my inbox this morning, and I'm still playing catch-up. Mention of dogs and peanut butter just catches my eye.
I wish everyone would stop being personal, because it makes us short-tempered.

James R Hoffa June 1, 2012 at 04:19 pm

@Hornswaggle -
You claim to be voting for Barrett because you believe his policies will improve things for the poor and needy. Well, he's been the Mayor of the City of Milwaukee for the past 8 years, and under his policies, poverty and need in the city have INCREASED exponentially. You may want to rethink your reasoning here, as there seems to be a serious depart from logic and reality!

Patriot June 1, 2012 at 04:21 pm

@Horns-well why are you not recalling Obama? He has put our childrens children in debt to the tune of 16 trillion dollars, well his portion was or is about 5 trillion? Seems hypocritical to me. Dont use the bible as a pedastal to stand upon. SHAME SHAME SHAME

Hornswaggle June 1, 2012 at 04:25 pm

Step by step there Patriot. When the Republicans began the recall madness ( oh yes, it began with right-wing republicans filing recall papers against three democrats days before democrats returned the favor) they thought to show the democrats a thing or two. But, a funny thing happened, no democrats were recalled but two republicans were. Not to worry republicans cackled, you didn't win the senate, so you still lost! Then came the mine bill and Senator Schultz bucked the tea party and we found it really did matter, and it really did change things. Not to worry republicans cackle, you commie left-wing, thugs, hollywood, Washington insiders are gonna loose on Tuesday. Yup! The far right is on a roll and you-all got the elections locked up. Might as well kick back and watch the win happen on Tuesday... shucks, you probably don't even need to go vote. I mean, you've won!

James R Hoffa June 1, 2012 at 04:25 pm

@Randy1949-
OK, I'll give you a pass on this one if you respond to my rebuttal re your post about Barrett's plan below :-)

Hornswaggle June 1, 2012 at 04:28 pm

Mr Hoffa, since when did Milwaukee become a separate state not connected with the governor of Wisconsin? Since when did former county supervisor Walker become disconnected with the fortunes or misfortunes of the city he helped govern?

Patriot June 1, 2012 at 04:34 pm

@Horns-Hysterical!! My god you have me on the floor rolling. Who are you trying to kid? Your side was calling for a recall before Gov Walker even took office. It was leaked by the media saying the Unions were calling for a recall immediately!! So again there you go putting the liberal spin on it. The left began this process and we all know it. Funny how your so confident that Barrett will win considering the man has not led a single pole since this began. Barrett has NO PLAN what so ever!! The people who voted Walker in still stand behind their vote as well as many of your side has choosen to vote for Walker as well because you have made this recall a laughing stock of the nation. With no real platform it went from Act 10, to jobs, to women, to John Doe. Your side has desperately tried to get something to stick with all the mud slinging.
Its ok I understand you really cant help it. You have been brainwashed your entire life and u struggle with the reality of whats real and fanatsy!!! Its ok we understand and after Walkers Victory your welcome to join the rest of us in moving this State forward

Randy1949 June 1, 2012 at 04:35 pm

@JRH -- No, I don't hate the generations to come. I have a son, a grandson, and other progeny yet to come, whom I love dearly. I actually listened to what Tom Barrett was saying last night.
People will make sacrifices as long as those sacrifices are evenly applied. They will make sacrifices as long as they are kept informed and persuaded it's for the common good. They don't respond well when they're treated like enemies right out of the starting gate. Tom Barrett was right -- He and Scott Walker would not have been on that stage last night if Walker had accepted the unions' offer to make concessions. No, he had to make it permanent. His style of leadership -- crush your enemies and keep them down -- is lacking and it's disastrous in the long run. It leads to a lack of trust. Especially when one group of people seems to be getting the breaks at the expense of another. I don't want my descendants to have to live in a state where one party can take power and then run the government like a dictatorship.

Patriot June 1, 2012 at 04:38 pm

@Randy-That is exactly what Gov Walker did. Make this more equal for everyone. He brought the public sector inline with the private sector!! So where is the uneven equality that you speak of. Also if its about collective bargainig then why are you not standing up to Obama and asking him why your fellow Federal Counterparts are without collective bargaining when it comes to wages and benefits? Hmmmmm seems like a double standard here.

Hornswaggle June 1, 2012 at 04:46 pm

Patriot, sorry to burst your sincerely held beliefs with facts, but the recall papers against the three democrats were filled in February I believe, and the democrat response did not materialize until March 2nd or 5th or something like that. I don't have time to research the exact dates, but the facts of history cannot be denied. Republicans filed first, democrats second! Those are historical facts that are verifiable. I really hate to leave you laughing on the floor like this my friend, but I really do have to be off to work now.

Randy1949 June 1, 2012 at 04:49 pm

@Patriot -- I'll debate with Hoffa because he's both civil and intelligent.
For me, this is not so much about collective bargaining as it is about Scott Walker's dictatorial style of governing. And it's about trust. When a man says one thing to the public and the opposite to wealthy donors, there is no trust.

Patriot June 1, 2012 at 04:51 pm

@Horns- Do we live in the same State? The only reason the recall process was not put into motion at that time is because your hands were tied for at least a year. But the drum beating, union thuggery was in full motion at that time lats year!!! So what are you talking about? You are truely disillusioned big time!!

Patriot June 1, 2012 at 04:56 pm

@Randy-But the bottom line is that we voted for Walker. We feel that Walker is doing a great job and up to this point we are satisfied with his performance. So for your side to recall him on the basis of not agreeing is completely wrong. And if by chance your candidate happens to win which we know will not happen but if he does then basically my vote meant absolutely nothing. It is totally wrong for a group of people to have the power to change my vote or basically cancel my vote out just because they disagree!! Again Walker did nothing illegal at all!! Again if your choice happens to win that will divide this State like never before. Because you will have said to those who voted for Walker in 2010 that their vote was meaningless!! A democrocy is not supposed to funtion as such

Hornswaggle June 1, 2012 at 04:59 pm

O.K. my friend, one last post as I head out the door. Yes, the recall of Governor Walker had to wait until he was in for a full year. That's different than what I'm calling the recall madness that was set in motion by the recall petitions filed against three democrats (none successful) and then answered with the recall petitions filed agains 6 republicans (two successful). So yes, try not to become confused as to what is being referred to. Governor Walker's recall and the recall madness initiated by republicans are two separate events.

Patriot June 1, 2012 at 05:02 pm

@Horns-Its ok I understand you can not help it. For you to have the ability to cancel my vote out just because u disagree is wrong!! If your choice for Gov does win which we know he will not but if he does you will see this State divided like never before. You will send the message that all those who voted for Walker that their votes were meaningless!! That is not a democrocy

Randy1949 June 1, 2012 at 05:05 pm

@Patriot -- I think you replied to the wrong post. But if the pro-Walker side still has the majority, your vote won't be meaningless. If Walker is voted out, that means that he annoyed enough people to lose his majority. A win in an election doesn't mean the right to do what you damn well please for four years over the strenuous objections of half of the population you are supposed to represent.
As for a vote being meaningless, now you know how I feel living in Sensenbrenner-land.

tom rakowski June 1, 2012 at 05:55 pm

To say Bill Clinton is interested in the number of interns working for Barrett would depend on the definition of "is".

Justme June 1, 2012 at 06:47 pm

Hahahaha!! Funny posts!
And to think Obama was in IL today. Couldn't be bothered to make a stop on Barrett's behalf, not that it would've helped. Two losers don't make a winner, that's for sure.

Jim June 1, 2012 at 07:57 pm

I thought Billy retired to sell cigars, to interns.

Bren June 2, 2012 at 04:19 am

3rd time, not "Brendan." Four more repetitions required for saturation to begin.
I'll point out lies and inconsistencies always.

Steve ® June 2, 2012 at 04:23 am

For not being a democrat not "Brendan." you sure never stop defending them.

Bren June 2, 2012 at 04:32 am

Bilderberg? Conspiracy theory.

Bren June 2, 2012 at 04:34 am

And yet Newt Gingrich, who had an affair at the same time as Clinton, had a shot at getting the Republican nomination for President of the United States. Let's keep it real.

Patriot June 2, 2012 at 08:33 am

@Bren-Call it what you will its happening. Do some reaserch Bren rather than continue with ur head in the sand. Agenda 21 it is a UN Agenda. Whats sad is we have Leon Panetta on video testifying to congress how he seeks permission for our military to act from the UN!! Hmmmmmmmmm yup conspiracy theory.

Spate Cooley June 2, 2012 at 06:16 pm

MMSD has another big turd to deal with