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High Capacity Magazine Restriction

This video accuratley shows the lack of logical thinking behind liberals claiming magazine restrictions can keep us safer.

 

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Random Blog Commenter

10:49 am on Monday, March 4, 2013

Both shooters for the first magazine shot one less time than the magazine capacity -- leaving the final cartridge in the chamber while loading the next magazine. If all cartridges had been expended, then the shooter would have had to tap the slide release on the pistol and the bolt carriage release on the AR-15 to release the slide or bolt carriage to the forward (firing) position. This would add about a half-second at most to the process for each magazine. A point that doesn't diminshing the video's main point, but it does add a bit of time to the process.

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Lynne Radcliffe

12:51 pm on Friday, April 26, 2013

"If all cartridges had been expended, then the shooter would have had to tap the slide release on the pistol"
Depends on the firearm.
Mine, the slide releases when a magazine is inserted, so it loads without any more effort.
Of course, the brand I carry is the most widely used by police & military around the world, so they're built with nice little features like that.
The less there is to manipulate in an emergency, the more likely you'll survive.
That's why I carry a loaded pistol. Nothing to forget (like the Aldi's incident), or fumble with, or wonder (even for a second) if the safety is off or on.
Point it at the attacker, put your finger on the trigger, press, & it will shoot.

WaitingForTheSpark

10:55 am on Monday, March 4, 2013

Instead of this focus on guns and high capacity magazine, how about we round up all the gang members and detain them or get rid of them. Seriously, they're essentially a terrorist organization killing and preying on Americans. Our government detains Al Qaeda members because they are part of a terrorist organization. Why are we allowing these black and Hispanic terrorists to roam our city streets?

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Lynne Radcliffe

12:52 pm on Friday, April 26, 2013

+1 !!!
Use the RICO law, use the terrorism laws, shoot the felons who are attempting illegally to enter the country.

Scott

11:10 am on Monday, March 4, 2013

@WaitingForTheSpark
That's typical. Black and Hispanic gangs huh? I suppose the thought never occured to you that there are white gangs that have been doing more harm and have been around for longer. Ever heard of the Klu Klux Klan? How about the numerous Aryian gangs like the skinheads that have been killing for years with no remorse? No, No, No you must concentrate on the black and hispanics. I understand. Although I detest the actions and beliefs of all gangs, I find it funny that you conveniently neglected to mention the most ruthless ones.

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WaitingForTheSpark

11:48 am on Monday, March 4, 2013

@Scott, do you really want to go there? Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery. When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife. Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate. The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic. ONLY 10% of youth gang members are white. Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely. Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent. Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black. Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery. Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa. Your turn.

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Lynne Radcliffe

12:54 pm on Friday, April 26, 2013

Yes, they're bad too. All of their crimes should be punished. (Actual crimes, not thought crimes.)
But as Sparky points out, they're not the biggest problem.

David Tatarowicz

11:40 am on Monday, March 4, 2013

If you have large capacity magazines, you tend to shoot more rounds as illustrated by the number of rounds that trained police officers fire per instance.

I have written many times that we have police with military type weapons -- in warfare thousands of rounds are fired per casualty --- but the object is not always to shoot a particular target -- often it is suppressing fire or "sound" shots --- and in a mlitary situation it is ok to send out a bullet to "whom it may concern" -- in police work we do not need a few exra bullets flying around the neighborhood because the officer is not reluctant to ready, fire, aim --- as they have so many rounds to shoot.

When the cops had revolvers, they took better aim, as they only had six shots before they needed to reload --- also with the magnum revolvers like the 357 the hits were more devastating,

Whatever the time difference --- seconds count in how many bodies are coming out in bags --- whatever longer it takes a shooter to fire off x number rounds, the longer the better, even measured in seconds.

From the military mentality that police use their large magazine pistols, I would support that other than specially trained SWAT team members in tactical situations, the average officer should be carrying a revolver.

For all citizens and police -- not military -- I support for all weapons larger than .22 long rifle, 8 rounds maximum in pistols, and 4 rounds maximum in long guns.

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J. B. Schmidt

11:53 am on Monday, March 4, 2013

@David
Good guy has revolver, bad guy has (insert gun of choice not a revolver), who wins? Not the revolver.

You logic is so flawed, that I must question your intelligence.

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Steve ®

11:58 am on Monday, March 4, 2013

You don't get to make that decision for me. If you want an 8 rd magazine go right ahead.

I want the most possible, especially at the range.

This is for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeQiVBvy0m0

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Richard Head

1:15 pm on Monday, March 4, 2013

13 shots in 4.2 seconds. *GRAPHIC WARNING*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHeOR3-vlVU

8 times on the body, 2 in the extremities and once in the head.

I always thought it was twice in the chest, and once in the head, and even the Jolly Green Giant is dead. Police have a State issued license to murder.

I heard the gunfire for this one....

November 16, 1998 - RACINE Police shot and killed a 47-year-old Racine man Sunday at the end of a nearly five-hour armed standoff that began as a family disturbance

After police tried to contact Tabet by phone without success, members of the department's Tactical Unit placed a loudspeaker near his door. Tabet reportedly opened the door and pointed a rifle at the nearest officer; police retaliated and shot Tabet to death.

ODD - The facts seemed to have disappeared - the SWAT Team shot him ten times with fully automatic H&K MP-5's.

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Terry

2:46 pm on Monday, March 4, 2013

David. Last time you brought up this rather sad point about law enforcement, I recommended you research the death of Captain James Lutz (Waukesha Police Department) at the hands of the Oswalds. This case showed us locally that our police at the time were not properly equipped to deal with the threat. Now, when the public is better armed than ever before, you want our law enforcement officials to regress back to those days.

Once again, you show that your claims to be a moderate are blatant lies.

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David Tatarowicz

7:06 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013

@JB If the bad guy shoots as accurately as the police average above --- I think I will stick with my 454 casull --- it is not how many shots you fire --- it is how many times you hit the target, and with the casull, once will almost always do the job

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David Tatarowicz

7:10 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013

@Terry Nice anecdotal story -- now tell me the actual statistics of civilians killed from police who loose off a dozen quick shots ...... of course we could give the cops 50 cals mounted on their cars --

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J. B. Schmidt

8:12 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013

@David
Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight and don’t bring limited ammo when your enemy has unlimited.

You continue to make illogical statements.

1) You are willing to require the good guy to play the odds as they approach a crime a scene. They are expected to conserve ammo and take precise shots while the bad guy sprays his location with lead. Since the bad guy is taking less precise shots you are assuming the cop has the law of averages on his side.

2) You are also assuming that the bad guys won’t adjust their actions with the understanding that the good guy has limited ammo. The chances of the good guy being pinned down or enticed to shoot at low percentage targets in an effort to waste the little ammo he has will become very high. Not to mention if there is a second bad guy.

3) You are assuming good guys won’t simply leave. Look at Detroit and most other inner cities. The good guys are just leaving those areas to rot rather then deal with your backward liberal logic. The bad guys have taken over our cities and you want to give them the upper hand.

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Luke

7:11 am on Wednesday, March 6, 2013

David seems to have problems with law enforcement . Just sayin'.

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Lynne Radcliffe

1:07 pm on Friday, April 26, 2013

Why do you want people to be less able to protect themselves?
I don't care if we're talking about police, military, or citizens. Since you can't get the bad guys to play by your rule (limited ammo capacity), I'm not giving up my numeric advantage (normal ammo capacity).

Take the State Fair race riot as an example. (Where the perpetrators / attackers were all black, & nearly all the victims were white.)

Would you want a 6-shot revolver, or would you want my 18-round semiauto pistol?
It may not take all 18 rounds to persuade the mob it should go away from you, but I'm betting it'll take more than 6. And revolver reloads are slow. (Compared to regular semiauto pistols.)

Closer to home for me, a teen mob of about a dozen black males attempted to attack me last summer.
A mob attack is an imminent threat of death.
Luckily I was on my motorcycle & was able to get away in time.
But if I'd been on foot they would definitely have caught me, since I can't run anywhere near as fast as the average teen male. I'm not as strong either.
If I'd only had 6 shots, which one of them would you want me to stop?
Under stress, about half of police shots miss their intended target. So I'd expect 3 to connect.
It's rare that 1 shot will stop an attacker.
Even if I'd been monumentally lucky & landed 1 shot on 6 attackers, that leaves 6 uninjured & still able to harm me while I try to reload.

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Lynne Radcliffe

1:11 pm on Friday, April 26, 2013

And by the way, I see you've bought into the anti-gun rhetoric.
"High-capacity magazines" are in most cases the perfectly normal regular-capacity magazines which are sold by the manufacturer with the firearm from the factory.

A few only come with (are only made for) stunted 10-round capacity because of states like CA (& now NY).
My daily carry has a normal capacity of 17+1. That's how it comes from the factory.
I can get a high-capacity magazine in 33 or 100 rounds, but why would I?
Those jam more & are difficult to use.
They take up more space, are awkward to carry, etc.

If you want to save lives, require criminals to only use high-capacity magazines. When they jam (as happened in the Giffords assassination attempt) it would give an opportunity for educated bystanders to jump the murderer.

Steve ®

11:48 am on Monday, March 4, 2013

With all the talk from the low informed about gun/ammo restrictions comes a brillant move by the gun manufactures.

They are structuring to not sell to law enforcement/ gov. agencies who reside in districts that have put restrictions on citizens. So if you ban a 30 rd magazine on an AR-15, good luck getting a 30 rd magazine as a cop.

Equal playing field is equal. We, as business owners, have the final say.

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Lynne Radcliffe

1:13 pm on Friday, April 26, 2013

Same for firearms. If they're not legal for citizens, they're not being sold to LEO / LEA. I wish I could see their faces when they get the denial letter. :D

Avenging Angel

11:52 am on Monday, March 4, 2013

Let's debunk the other liberal myth that we don't "need" high capacity magazines. Tell that to the Korean shop owners defending their stores during the LA riots.

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NObama 2012

11:57 am on Monday, March 4, 2013

I remember watching those Rodney King riot videos. Those Koreans protecting their stores from black and HIspanic looters reminded me of the recent television footage in Egypt where an older man was standing outside his store with a shotgun. The rioters and streetgangs would have caused many more assaults and taken more lives if us law abiding good citizens had been unarmed. Praise the lord and pass the ammunition!

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Steve ®

12:01 pm on Monday, March 4, 2013

The liberal nuts don't' get to define magazines as "high capacity"
In my book it is just a magazine that holds rounds of ammo.
It is another way they try and frame a debate, they created, with adjectives.

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David Tatarowicz

7:12 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013

@ AA On the other hand --- what about those NOLA cops who disarmed civilians after Katrina ? And are you saying that a store owner with a 12 ga shotgun wouldn't have been just as able to deter looters as someone with a 30 round AR ?

NObama 2012

11:53 am on Monday, March 4, 2013

I think Waiting For The Spark has shown us all the #1 reason that we need more guns not less in the hands of law abiding citizen and more high capacity gun magazines not less.

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Mr Lundt

2:11 pm on Monday, March 4, 2013

"When the cops had revolvers, they took better aim"
You have moved from uninformed to creating your own reality. You have ZERO evidence to support that claim David.

"For all citizens and police -- not military -- I support for all weapons larger than .22 long rifle, 8 rounds maximum in pistols, and 4 rounds maximum in long guns."

That's great---bad guys will of course follow those laws.

Many times I accuse lefties of passing laws that feel good and provide only the illusion of progress. However these particular ideas are more than totally in uninformed, if they were to be put into practice they would be dangerous to everyone. (but the criminals)

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David Tatarowicz

7:16 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013

@ Mr L Since so many folks commenting here like Anecdotes --- here is one that never happened when the cops had revolvers:

Amadou Bailo Diallo (September 2, 1975 – February 4, 1999) was a 23-year-old immigrant from Guinea who was shot and killed in New York City on February 4, 1999 by four New York City Police Department plain-clothed officers: Sean Carroll, Richard Murphy, Edward McMellon and Kenneth Boss, who fired a combined total of 41 shots, 19 of which struck Diallo, outside 1157 Wheeler Avenue in the Soundview section of The Bronx. The four were part of the now-defunct Street Crimes Unit. All four officers were acquitted at trial in Albany, New York.

NOTE that Mr Diallo was enclosed in a small apartment entranceway --- pretty much a fish in a barrel -- yet the cops missed him with more than half their shots --- maybe in NYC 41 shots at an unarmed man is considered a stern warning.

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Lynne Radcliffe

1:15 pm on Friday, April 26, 2013

Yeah, we know that NYC cops are terrible shots. Heck, recently they hit what was it... 9 bystanders in their failed attempt to hit a murderer?

Terry

2:54 pm on Monday, March 4, 2013

True Angel. But maybe even more relevant than the LA riots is Katrina. Almost overnight, hurricane Katrina turned a major American city into a lord of the flies case study. A lot of very bad things happened behind that curtain, to include gangs of looters working their ways through neighborhoods where residents were trapped.

The left would have us believe that we don't need these things for protection. That we would not see a scenario in this country where the government wouldn't be there to provide that level of protection. Katrina showed that to be a lie, and created a perfect scenario where this kind of weapon, and this level of ammunition, may not only be useful, but vital.

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David Tatarowicz

7:19 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013

@Terry my note above -- NOLA cops were disarming civilians --- which I think was criminal on their part -- but I don't see how you come to the conclusion that everybody needed 30 round clips ---

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Terry

3:15 am on Wednesday, March 6, 2013

I can come to that conclusion largely because I have training in firearms David.

If you work on the assumption that you are just facing one potential attacker, then the argument that extended round magazines aren't as necessary holds more weight. What about two attackers, or three? Or a pack of five or six attackers as we saw in New Orleans?

Anyone with any firearms training can tell you that three ten round magazines are not the same as one thirty in those situations. There is a time associated with reload, and in can distract your attention from the attackers.

Also, as anyone in the field can tell you, the reload is where you tend to get weapon malfunctions. It is in the reload that you have the greatest chance of the weapon going out of service. Dropped magazines. Poorly seated magazines. Double feeds.

During the reload is the most dangerous time for you in a gunfight. Something to be avoided if possible.

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yomammy

1:05 pm on Friday, April 26, 2013

you want to neuter your mag capacity..be my guest.
those that want to harm us dont care about laws, or limitations.

what is a "clip"?
oh, thats right...jsut another media keyword to confuse/misinform the sheep

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Lynne Radcliffe

1:18 pm on Friday, April 26, 2013

David, I've never heard of a clip which held 30 rounds.
The most I've seen is maybe 6.
Do you maybe mean 'magazines'? Because those do come in larger capacity, esp. as the caliber decreases (smaller bullets).
But as Terry points out, malfunctions are bad. And contrary to his experience, things like the Giffords assassination attempt show that higher-capacity magazines malfunction more often. That's how the crowd was able to jump him safely.

Jack

3:01 pm on Monday, March 4, 2013

"When the cops had revolvers, they took better aim"

Good God. Now I understand why you are a failure.

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yomammy

1:06 pm on Friday, April 26, 2013

no doubt. Failboat Captian there...

$$andSense

9:59 pm on Monday, March 4, 2013

Then there is Jerry Miculek who can work a revolver as fast as a submachine gun, reload AND hit the target at the same time. And there are plenty others with the same skill. This whole magazine or "clip" capacity for you dopes who don't like firearms is pointless. Just admit that you don't like guns and the lawful owners who do and want their right to be retained.

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Sarah

6:47 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013

Only men with small you know what need extended clips!

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Bob McBride

7:48 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013

They're cheaper than buying a Corvette.

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Born Free

1:43 pm on Wednesday, March 6, 2013

Sarah must have been around the block way way too many times to come up with that bit of personal knowledge.

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Lynne Radcliffe

1:23 pm on Friday, April 26, 2013

You obviously don't know anything about firearms, given your reference to "extended clips".
Maybe you've had too many customers who thought they were men who also didn't know the difference, and you've made the connection between their failures.

Besides, it's only the anti-rights people who connect firearms to sexual organ size.
Looking at it rationally, if your premise were true, then no man would carry a 5-shot snubnose revolver. Heck, it wouldn't even have been invented.

oak creek resident

7:34 pm on Tuesday, March 5, 2013

Sarah, since your mindset seems to be on extended clips, why don't you try to find a site that can help you out.

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Born Free

1:35 pm on Wednesday, March 6, 2013

If it's not been said here yet the high cap magazine ban/restriction GUN GRABBING tactic applies to semi-auto hand guns too.

All the more reason to carry 2 guns and be proficient with both hands shooting at the same time.
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"GUNS DON'T MURDER 3,000 PREBORN KIDS DAILY IN THE U.S., NEO NAZI DEMOCRAT POLICIES DO"

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Lynne Radcliffe

1:24 pm on Friday, April 26, 2013

Since only semiautos use magazines, of course the restriction would only apply to them. And yes, in some situations it's faster to get another gun than to reload. But I don't think I'd want to shoot with 2 hands at once unless it was a mob situation.

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Frank McGruber

3:19 pm on Friday, April 26, 2013

@ Lynne

"Since only semiautos use magazines..."

Plenty of bolt-action rifles, for example, use magazines.

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