I agree Marsha.

ummm. some of the neighbors gave them permission to use their yards.

Read the article again. The neighbors offered their property for the rally "to start the rally off."
That hardly sounds as if they will be dismayed. And what does that say about Scott as a neighbor? I wouldn't offer my property up for a protest against a neighbor I disagreed with politically.

Walker should have thought about the ramifications and potential consequences when he was so incredibly high-handed in how he handled the situation, as well as in what he did. He wasn't exactly trying to make friends. He was showing how tough he is. So he should be able to handle this.

If he has children, that's another matter. In no way does anyone have a right to threaten or intimidate them. But there's no reason to believe they will.

Walker knew there would be trouble for them, too, when he started it. They can't live in a vacuum and avoid contact with all who disagree.

i'd say poor you for bending over and looking at your self to long. walkers crap just hasn't gotten to you yet. but it will

I dint see church fried chicken there and dint see nobody selling crack there.
so nothing poor about those neighbor

I'm sorry, when someone like that moves into your neighborhood, you need to complain. He had no qualms about having his Capitol goons in Madison "noise" speakers in the State Legislature; a favorite Republican tactic. I saw it on video and it makes you feel bad about the sanity of the Wisconsin GOP. The comment you made here is much the same heard in suburban homes,"Ignore them and they will go away.", as the American Nazi Party marched in front of the Jewish Community Center on Prospect Ave. in the Seventies, in uniform, jackboots, swastika arm bands, unfurling tricolor flags of the Third Reich. They also went to schools in the city where dropouts still gathered to hang out with their school friends as they had nowhere else to go. The Nazis organized them for baseball-bat attacks in Washington Park. Naziism, a fact of life in Milwaukee since I was a child and had consciousness in the 2nd half of the 1930s. It merely increased in Wisconsin because we made Wehrmacht prisoners of War from Germany welcome to join the German-American community after they were released from camps in our neighborhoods used during my grade school years in the 1940s. In the 1950s we merely upped the ante in America accepting their SS officers post-war who offered "information" in exchange for immigration. They sent their sons to Arizona to work for Jan Brewer. Mr.Walker clarified early by disallowing unions their collective barganing rights.

Okay, well....thanks Dianne for weighing in with that.

I'd suggest you'd wandered a bit far afield with that one, but were I to review some of the other stuff below once again, I'd probably have to say "not so much".

In other words, protesting in front of Scott Walker's house because you believe there's an overwhelming Nazi presence in Milwaukee's German community is probably as logical a reason as any other I've heard.

Excuse me while I go make sure Colonel Klink isn't hiding under my bed.

@Dianne Jarreau -

Ahhh, uhhhh, hmmm...

Yeah, I'm not saying a word about this one except - WOW!!!

Just remember it was Patch who put Walkers home address in, NOT the orgainizers!

The announcement did NOT and does NOT include Walkers house address!!

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http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=286618078027036
.....Wisconsin needs to recall Scott Walker, starting now.

We Are Milwaukee, an alliance of community-based organizations, unions, faith communities, and local leaders, will kick off our work on the Walker recall on November 15th with a rally and march.

We are gathering at the practice field by Juneau High School for a brief program before marching over 4 blocks to Walker's neighborhood. There, we will line up to sign recall petitions and sign up to play a role on the campaign. Actually, we'll be signing petitions in the front yard of Walker's own neighbors who have volunteered their space to help us start off the recall right. Also, we will provide training to activists and opportunities to activate right away.

Park on the streets around Juneau High School or at State Fair Park, from which buses will run from 3:45 PM to 7:00 PM.

and yes, what Nixon did was bad. Atleast I can admit it! If a liberal did what he did im sure they would find a way to blame Bush or some other conservative.

@John -

Nice! Very nice - you definitely won the day on this slug out!

Keep up the good fight and let’s see to it that Walker stays around for a while!

your one sick s.o.b.

Hey MDS ,Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. Walker is being recalled not impeached.

Whoa! I was laughing at the posts until I read John's post, which is down right ridiculous! What propaganda are you people following now with "selling weapons to drug lords"? Wow, PT Barnum was correct.

It's referred to as the 'Operation Fast and Furious Scandal,' and yes, Obama did sell weapons to drug lords which were later used to kill a US law enforcement officer. Check the news!

Operation fast was started by Republican Bush.Look up facts first.

Yes Bush started it. However, there is a big differance. Under Bush, they would meet up and once the drug lords handed over the money they were arrested. Under Obama, they decided that they would let them take the weapons and track them and arrest them some time later. Unfortunately, they lost the weapons and they were used to kill a US Border Patrol Agent. BIG DIFFERANCE. Look up facts first.

And neither should people harass a politicain's family. How would you like a bunch of loonies on your lawn? Nice for his children, right. Aren't you the same ones who always cry 'for the children'? Or is it only to further the cause of higher taxes for your buddies.

God bless you. You have it spot on.

Walker lost both the city and the county of Milwaukee. He only got 25% of the city vote and 37% of the county vote. And he is less popular now then when he was elected under false pretences. So, where do you get off saying you and his supporters "are Milwaukee". Recall Walker!

The budget cuts aren't working - jobs are being lost still...
There are more than "liberals and union worker", just as there are more than that in OccupyAmerica.

Until you realize what the actual problems are and what is causing them (hint: NOT the government)) YOU will continue to be bamboozled by the misdirecting rhetoric that your party is feeding you by design. Their ONLY goal is more money at the top -- NOT YOUR wellbeing or success.

Your precious governor is privitizing everything he can get his hands on - those functions will cost your a LOT more from private industry.......profits are not free.....

Wa-st-concerned,

Nice talking points from your union handout. Did they come with the typo's already for you or did you add them?

Three words for the ralliers outside of Walkers house "Shame Shame Shame!"

Jim,

"Our Beliefs -At Patch, we promise always to report the facts as objectively as possible and otherwise adhere to the principles of good journalism. However, we also acknowledge that true impartiality is impossible because human beings have beliefs."

So which is it Jim? Hipocrisy - a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.

And damn those public records for publishing it as well! All these people have to do is a simple search and it seems like they can get anyone's information.

and what protesting in front of his house accomplish?

Consciousness raising. Of course trying to raise yours may lead to a hernia.

@John -- It might break through Gov. Walker's implacable insistence that the state of Wisconsin is overwhelmingly behind him. He seems to be living in a bubble thicker than the one surrounding George W. Bush when he was in office.

@JRH -- I sent the man an email, which strangely enough was not answered. I'm sure you'd love to complain about the millions of dollars of damage to the Governor's Mansion and surrounds, but since Gov. Walker's neighbors have enough trust to volunteer their yards, I think that will be best.

I never called any VietVets baby-killers. They were, for the most part, draftees, kids my own age, and they've gotten the fuzzy end of the lollipop ever since. Some of them may even be showing up on Tuesday. You're almost persuading me to do the same -- sign the recall petition right in view of his house.

Easterbunny,

Move out of the bathroom.

walker walked rihgt into my home and dug his dirty little fingers right into my wallet right after he got elected! i hope he gets recalled!!!!!!

john...get a grip. If you don't like it, quit, I am sure you can be replaced. Maybe with someone that would actually be happy to have a cushy job!

@John (The hating Liberal one)

Why would anybody (99%) feel it's a good idea to lower the American workers wages and rights. The Unions are not the reason why the economy s8cks today!

The only voice left for the working men/women are the Unions, the private sector has no voice....There is less than 12% unions left, about half in Government and the other in the private sector........We were at our best when the Unions were strong......Not so long ago one working parent was enough for a family of four to sustain an adequate life style and very recently it was the norm to have a pension!

I am not in a Union, but I support them to have a fair wage to support their family......There are so many that are envious because they don't have some of the benefits/pay that Union employees have.....Don't be envious of our fellow Americans support them and hopefully the private sector will regain back what we have lost.........

BTW-for those that are trying to spread fear about taxes then I say it's about time we end Corporate welfare........The middle class can no longer carry the weight for all.......

the city and state walked right into my home and they keep digging there dirty little fingers right into my wallet for things I don't support, I hope Walker gets to stay in office

Walker is actually putting money in my wallet by not letting my taxes get raised. Remember John, the rest of us are your employers.

John : Great things ? I fell out of my chair laughing so hard after reading that one. Keep posting, I love to laugh.

Walker doesn't have to do a thing if he chooses not to. He doesn't have to waste any more time......he should just keep working on his "job creating" plan and pay no attention to the recall or the recall election. He should just put his and Becky's names on the ballot and not say another word. He doesn't HAVE to spend another penny on trying to win a recall election. He doesn't HAVE to waste a single DIME of the GOP's money on the silly election recall to come. He is so concerned about the taxpayers and their plight afterall. He has so much support people will vote for him with no reiteration of "all the good he's done". I would be genuinely happy to never hear from him again spouting his propaganda. All of his supporters do it for him anyway. So let him be silent now.....and let the chips fall where they may.

Yes Dee, I agree. And furthermore if one is really concerned about making things BETTER for the majority, then wouldn't he/she be advocating to lift people UP to a better level of so-called "security" as far as retirement and healthcare, instead of trying to drag people DOWN to an unacceptable level?????

Not to mention now the health of 65,000 Wisconistes being kicked off of Badgercare.

More state jobs were lost under Doyle as he is also the one who started the furloughs. Where was the outrage then?

That one is easy. Because Dolye did it without ending collective bargaining. This also blow a hole in your argument why we need to end collective bargaining, because Doyle did it without ending it.

And by the way John, how do you define success? Certainly cutting off people from Badgercare isn't success. Loosing teachers state-wide isn't success. Suppressing voter access isn't success. Cutting mass transit services and cutting off people from jobs isn't success. Slashing support for the U-system and vocational training isn't success. And rising unemployment is success. Cutting your taxes is a very small metric when it comes to determining who is successful.

As for Obama being a failure because of Bush, first you have to define failure. Obama not only saved us from a depression, but he saved the auto industry.

I can say with all confidence that the deficit we see today is thanks today is thanks to Bush. All of that deficit is a carryover from Bush's tax cuts, the two unfunded wars and a Medicare Part D program that was not funded . The stimulus is a small part of the deficit.

If you have a problem with the deficit, then blame Bush.

Keith- Doyle did what? Steal from the transportation fund and the tobacco settlement and when he couldn't steal anymore, he cut and ran just like the 14 Senators. Just as you define Bush as being the problem, the exact same can be said of Doyle. What a hypocrite! The money you union thugs are losing you should have never had in the first place because Doyle made promises he couldn't keep. Walker saved Wisconsin from economic disaster and as far as losing teachers? Good riddance. If the only reason they were in it isfor the over-bloated pensions and healthcare, bye-bye!!! Believe it or not, there are still lines to fill those positions. You want handouts like Badgercare and welfare and public unions. Well, we the people, fought back from turning this state into a bunch of socialists. If you don't like what's going on, find a new place to live and work. We, the majority, have spoken and WILL speak again!!!

First off Brian, ever heard of the RETURN key. Here, this is how it works.

I guess because essentially you have overlooked what I have listed, you are a bit of a sociopath.

Any numbskull can cut taxes. That's all Walker does and his experience in Milwaukee county showed what that got us.

Doyle did what he could to maintain serves and the safety need. Of course, your attitude in your culture of life is screw 'em, let 'em die.

What drives me nuts is that the so called union thugs do things that benefit a vast number of people, including providing a wage floor that non-union people enjoy. Your Koch buddies help out maybe hundreds, many of whom who are now saying their actually want their taxes raised.

But of course with you guys, it's all politics. You hate and disrespect teachers and public employees because they vote Democratic. And in the minds of many of you, you hate Democrats because you imagine what they do is help black people.

And Tosa, what are you? Five years old?

You Keith Schmiz, are a racist. Plain and simple that think anybody other than whites can make it without government hand-outs!!! Disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Keith Schmitz -

So, exactly what government service that was cut did you PERSONALLY lose or actually experience a reduction of services in? And be specific here.

And those that were cut from Badgercare were done so for good reason - they can afford to adequately provide for themselves and/or their family! I know personal responsibility is a fairly new concept to you guys, but if we free up tax dollars that would otherwise be going to people who can actually afford to provide for themselves, albeit they may not have much left over for luxuries (hear me crying for them now), then we actually have more money to provide for those who are TRULY deserving of the help! WOW! I know that's a tough concept for you guys to understand, so take a minute if you need to.

You honestly believe that Doyle and the Dems ever actually balanced a budget - HA! You guys never actually balanced the budget! Instead, you took a lot of federal government aid (borrowed money), illegally raided segregated funds, raised taxes against your express campaign promises, used accounting gimmicks, and kicked debt with other states down for the road.

If that's how you balance a budget responsibly, then I'd hate to see your own personal finances. How leveraged are you again Keith? Don't worry, you can apply for some help from Obama, although I've heard those assistance programs of his don't actually help people very much - they just throw our tax dollars away on bureaucracy!

@Brian -- show me on instance where Keith mentioned race or handouts? However, people of every color require a decent education in order to support themselves and prosper in this society.

Maybe you all have forgotten the discussion 20-30 years ago on how to lure intelligent people into the job of teaching our children when they otherwise might make more money in another field.

@Randy1949 -

"And in the minds of many of you, you hate Democrats because you imagine what they do is help black people."

That's how Keith brought race into the discussion. And Brian is right - it was a very 'racist' thing for Keith to do!

Bren,

Nice talking points. You get 10 points for invoking the Koch family. Good for you - well prepared. Now, make sure you ask Keith about the other insipid talking points. And make sure you clean up your crayons.

#JGK, which union people are you referring?

God, I took the wrong job. Are you talking about the part-time 1-4 year teacher who starts at roughly $25k a year and now, in addition to paying the portion of their healthcare their employment didnt cover, they have to pay the 12% ins and 5% retirement as they "rape" the "tax payer"? Never mind, I will keep my job instead.

"Union teachers have premium benefits, far better than our military who volunteered and gave the govt a blank check with their lives."

Got a link or is this more right wing fantasy talk?

Nevertheless, your entire post is straight from your right wing radio masters.

@Keith Schmitz -

Better than your brand of crap that comes courtesy of Soros and the Daily Kos!

We know that parrots like Tim Aure received their Koch bros. talking points from the AFP-funded anti-union, anti-public union worker media package dropped on February 11. The Koch brothers are now investing in the creation of a "vast" right-wing database to improve and hone delivery, further isolate their target audience and (cynically) save some money on advertising.

Particularly interesting is the repeated use of "trigger" words such as "thug," "union," "shameful," and "bullying" here. This is seen throughout economic Republican posts here. Note also the application of the term "uber." Thesis: was a subconscious connection made to national socialism based upon the programmed talking points received? It is true that national socialism gained a foothold in Germany in the late 1920s and early 1930s by similar demonizing of targeted groups (and it is utterly sickening). I will monitor other right-wing posts here for similar verbiage to determine if there is sufficient data for further inquiry.

Mercury got everything that they wanted plus, try again.

What's really going on in Public Education for the past three decades was the Unions lining their pockets with taxpayer's money. Salaries and benefits account for 85 cents of every dollar school districts receive. 30 years ago, it was 55 cents, leaving 45 cents for builings, textbooks, technology and now its 15 cents. As a past school board member, I've seen it first hand how collective bargaining ate away available funds that could have been spent on upgrading facilities, placing computers in the classroom, and believe it or not; enough textbooks that students could actually take books home to study. This financial drain has put students second and salaries and benefits first. Hardly a scenario for improving education. Also, this greed has led to referendum after referendum to make up that gap created by collective bargaining, which has pitted the community against the school districts and teacher's unions creating a terrible environment for community support of their schools. And couple that with failing school systems, and you have a recipe of disaster. Walker has provided the only alternative to break the vicious cycle, and the true colors of the unions come out; it's not about the children- it's about how much they can line their pockets.

Thanks, Brian Dey, for the stats on where school spending is directed.

The angry mob argues that teachers are under-compensated. When you were a school board member, did you have difficulties filling teaching positions?

For every position open, there were in many cases, 100 or more applicants. Same with aides, janitors, building and repair, groudskeeping...

Wow, now that's an indication of excessive, excessive, excessive (read;shame,shame,shame) compensation.

Any problems finding teachers for special needs kids or more challenging subjects like Physics and Calculus?

Amen to that!

I'll second that! He is very brave.

Dale thats ZERO not HERO.

Unionista- (n) Based off the term "Sandanista"; a small band of rebels that trid to overthrow the Niguraguan government in the early eighties, funded by the United States federal government. Fitting as the union leaders, funded by the Obama Administration, that are trying to overturn an election for their own, self-serving purposes, and they truly are a small group of the overall population of Wisconsin.

Let it be known that the Sandinistas were thought to be a political force, but turned out to be little more than a nuisance. The Recall Walker people will have the same demise, especially with guerilla style tactics like protesting the Governor's private home.

Brian I think you need to go back and talk to a history teacher. Your history of the Sandanistas could not be more wrong. The Sandanista were a socialist revolutionary group in Nicaragua that overthrew the Samoza dictatorship in the late 1970s. The CIA, under Ronald Reagan, financed the Contras in an attempt to destabilise the Sandanista government, despite this being specifically outlawed by the US Congress (see Iran-Contra affair). The Sandanistas would go on to hold elections and retain power until about 1990, when after losing an election they left office.

God, I just got done with China Buffet. I know what you are talking about. Next time I will sneak some food and send it to the starving kids in Africa.

Dirk, you're adding 2+2 and coming up with 5. I'm considering a jaunt to Wauwatosa myself and that decision has nothing to do with unions. In a democracy, people have the privilege and responsibility to think for themselves.

And to quote Colbert, "Truth has a liberal bias."

@Bren -

First O'Reilly and now Colbert! For your next trick, are you going to quote Stewart or Hannity?

If you think there are overblown claims about teacher pay it is very easy to look up their salary and benefits (http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/dataondemand/33534649.html). I think alot of people would be shocked and wonder why they didn't go into teaching.

You really should know your facts before you post and look stupid!
Guess what. School is out by 4:30!!

You are lazy also--asking others to bring a sign for you!!

Tuesday, November 15 · 4:30pm - 7:30pm

Since when do facts matter to liberals. It is time to change the recall laws. Just because you dont like Walker he has not broken any laws. The unions should not be allowed to recall any politician if no laws were broken.

The recalls are not there for law breaking. It's a democratic process for people to prevent politicians from over reaching once they get in office. Four years is a damned long time for Walker to screw things up. So what do you have against democracy?

It's not like doing a recall is easy. It's hard. But we wouldn't be doing it if we didn't think there are a bunch of people who realized they made a mistake.

Of course we could have saved ourselves this trouble if people would have paid attention to the fact that Walker could handle the job he had before he became governor. If you want to blame any one, blame it on people believing Walker's BS in the first place.

We are already seeing the loss of public jobs exceeding any new private sector jobs in this state.

I feel for his family. What a bunch of thugs! As if we are going to simply allow them to go back the way it was.

Note I said allow - the People make the laws - not public unions.

Now heres a real Wacko ... Tosa GUN nut.

So then you would be willing to pay public employees what the private sector makes?

The teachers are already complaining about the small pay cut they have to take. I can't imagine they would be happy taking the 20-25% pay cut and loss of benefits that would put them on par with private school teachers...

Sure Keith, tell me what the rubbish man at Veolia or the teacher at a Catholic school makes and I'll match it.

Wow, Keith; a real proposal. Let's first start with eliminating 55 and out. Then let's scrap the pension and convert to 401k's with no match. Then let's pay $300 - 600 premiums for insurances that only cover 80% with $2500 - 5000 deductibles. Then let's go by the Harvard average salaries of $44,000 for master degrees. Then let's say you get all that working a 40 hr. work week, max of 6 weeks paid vacation, 6 paid sick days, 3 paid personal days and 52 weeks per year. Then let's get rid of tenure and make all employees at will. That's the private sector!!! So get off your high horses and stop thinking that you got screwed; YOU GOT CAUGHT!!! Just like the pension scam in Milwaukee County; which Walker also fixed. It is pathetic the group think of public sector unions. Private sector unions aren't even that selfish. I think more privatization is warranted and pink slips distributed, then you will know the REAL world!!!

@Keith Schmitz -

If the union has millions of dollars to throw around on recalls and elections, then why doesn't it offer to make up the cuts imposed by the state for it's members if what the union really cares about are its members? Wouldn't that just make sense? Kind of like strike pay, no?

Clearly, the union isn't interested in providing for its members, it's more interested in trying to maintain power because giving the power back to the taxpayer via their political representatives is unacceptable to the union.

Come on now - let's be fair, shall we?

As usual Hoffa you are cursing at warped speed.

Keith,

You have a choice where you want to work.

They're protesting having their compensation effectively capped at a lower rate henceforth, even though they were willing to make those small concessions during the fiscal shortfall. It isn't just the teachers. It's every public employee except those who supported the Governor. They didn't cause the shortfall -- the recession did.

@Randy1949 -

So if we're in a recession, doesn't it make sense that public sector compensation go down across the board because you aren't collecting as much in revenue because the people making up the tax base are hurting because of the recession? I think so!

Instead, the unions insisted on raising taxes and borrowing massive amounts of money to plug the experienced shortfalls. That is insane and unsustainable, as our friends in Greece, Italy, Ireland, etc. are showing us.

No one is vilifying public sector workers. We’re just exposing them to reality and fiscal responsibility for the first time in their lives and they’re getting upset about it! That’s the reality of the situation!

And any cap that the government imposes now can be later undone by the government. But it's the government that should be making these decisions, not the unions!

No, JRH, I think that when the time comes and the recession has ended, government and public sector workers should be able to negotiate from a position of equal strength.

@Randy1949 -

Public sector workers do have equal strength in the government - they get one vote each, just like everyone else. With the union, the taxpayers become disadvantaged and lose their strength. That’s the system in which things are unequal! Why do you think great labor loving men such as the real JRH and FDR didn’t believe in or support public sector unions? Brush up on your history, and maybe you’ll start to understand.

Private sector unions are fine and I fully support them.

Thanks for submitting to a litmus test of you ignorance. On average, public employees are paid less than comparable workers in the private sector.

@Keith Schmitz... I'm not sure what math you are using (I'm assuming George Soros, CNN, ABC, NBC, or CBS). Once you factor in the guaranteed pension (I have to deal with the ups/downs of a 401K) and zero or very small health care premium with no deductible (I pay $125/month for a $5,000 deductible) and the less than 40 hour work week, the public sector is so overpaid (which is tax dollars... MY dollars) it is borderline extortion.

Sam,
Are you comparing it to an equal education? Does grading lesson planning, getting to school early to run copies count? Do the private sector employee's get education reimbursement? Do the teachers? To the last two questions, the each do. One gets it immediately with a pay raise, the other only in pay and has to finance the entire education cost. If teaching is SO F'IN AWESOME, get in the mix.

In reality, there are an equally number of disturbing comments from both sides. More troubling is the recent report that security costs for the Walker administration have doubled because of the increased number of death threats against Walker and his family. Is that the Democratic custom as well?

@robert heule -

I've been on Patch since April of last year and can personally attest to the FACT that you have that assessment completely backwards!

Try again!

I don't so much about Patch. I was referring to political comment in general.

What about the death threats?

@craig -

Turning the spin cycle on to HIGH I see!

Craig,

Well written. That should be in 3D on the big screen or on the back of Michael Moore! Bright lights and surround sound!

So people can read exactly how absurdly farcical you sound.

Craig - you are ignoring the distinction between PRIVATE unions and PUBLIC unions. Private unions can keep beating up the company and making demands until the company either goes bankrupt or moves to a more hospitible area.
The public sector doesn't have that option - all they can do is keep taxing until they drive businesses and citizens to move somewhere else.

Walker brought his recall on himself by his own thuggery.

jdogmke, what is all this about extra police protection? Several others mention it but I suspect some ought to remember that the State Police are the one segment of the public unions that Walker excused after the demonstrating began; for the simple reason that he needed them to keep everybody else in line and protect himself first as the highest official in the state. It was kind of humorous , how he suddenly realized this when the legislators left Madison. God know what they might have been up to! The news came through fast from the HuffHill picking up feed from the Wisconsin newspapers that Walker "rethunk it" and everybody else would toe the line but " All is forgiven." was the message for the State Police who immediately beat some poor guy in the State Capitol building to show their gratitude. I gather you folks cannot imagine what your political antics look like from the outside as distributed and broadcast from coast to coast.

Jeez, Terry. Can I drive past and look daggers?

Maybe he should go to Spain to buy a choo choo.... You libs are just angry people searching for a way to keep protesting anything, I.E. "occupy..." Your recall will not work, your infantile actions are just making Walker supporters stronger.

Greg
Greg
Spain would probably kick him out.

walker cancelled a fund raising trip to KS this week because he is too toxic.
He will leave for AZ and other places this week and protesters will follow him.

Cheers

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12:27pm on Friday, November 11, 2011

Maybe he should go to Spain to buy a choo choo..

Three cheers for the good people of Kansas.

Just remember it was Patch (the author-Jim Price) who put Walkers home address in, NOT the orgainizers!

The Facebook announcement by the orgainizers did NOT and does NOT include Walkers house address!!

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http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=286618078027036
.....Wisconsin needs to recall Scott Walker, starting now.

We Are Milwaukee, an alliance of community-based organizations, unions, faith communities, and local leaders, will kick off our work on the Walker recall on November 15th with a rally and march.

We are gathering at the practice field by Juneau High School for a brief program before marching over 4 blocks to Walker's neighborhood. There, we will line up to sign recall petitions and sign up to play a role on the campaign. Actually, we'll be signing petitions in the front yard of Walker's own neighbors who have volunteered their space to help us start off the recall right. Also, we will provide training to activists and opportunities to activate right away.

Park on the streets around Juneau High School or at State Fair Park, from which buses will run from 3:45 PM to 7:00 PM.

Watch out over by State Fair Park, Walker may have his crazy black youth mobs out to smack you around.

Dearest John Neuenfeld

Harassing a person who is exercising her right to protest is not wise! And advising others to do so is WRONG!

If you work up the courage to picket Ms. Brent's house (god only knows why) here's a suggestion for a sign -- "Hey David Koch, is that Scott Walker in your pocket or are just happy to see us."

I'm self-employed/semi-retired, so I have the opportunity to be at home and on the computer. I don't know about everyone else -- including several who claim to be 'job-creators'. Back when I worked for a paycheck, it was full bore for my entire working day. I would never have had the time to access the net. I guess gainful employment just isn't what it used to be.

I try not to scream. I find a reasonably civil argument works much better.

@Randy1949 -

You’re definitely one of the better commentators here on Patch, and you are always very respectful! Even though we may rarely agree with each other, Hoffa would definitely vouch for your integrity any day.

Be well my friend!

Thanks for the good wishes.

You are talking to people who think involuntary payments from unwilling workers is a good thing. Public unions are the lowest life form in Wisconsin - (note I did not say workers)

Public Unions.

They didn't leave, they were canned. It proves unions will feed on their own. Mary Bell gets the Moron of the Year award for her dead wrong commercials about the effect on education.

If I could lean on a shovel for 3/4 of the year, driving a snow plow at 3am may not be so bad. The guys I know that are public sector employees are not upset about the changes, some are outright happy. It is the "poor me" union hacks that are upset. A lot of people have jobs that are not normal, we all are not 9 to 5 bankers and CEOs. If it is so bad for the public employees, that you site, they should look elsewhere for better employment. I will treat you with respect if you do the same for me. I voted for Walker for a 4 year term, you do not respect that, so back off.

@john -

So will you accept the outcome if Walker survives the recall attempt? Or will you continue to support further recall efforts? That's the real question here, isn't it?

You mean that one cannot possibly 'stop the bleeding of our livelyhood' without resorting to intimidation of the governor's family? That is where it crosses the line into 'thugishness'...

"Lean on a shovel"? Yup -- that's the respect they have for you guys who drive the plows and pick up the trash.

It makes me wonder when was the last time Greg dug a hole in 95 degree heat?

Randy, I work for a living in the construction trades. I do know physical labor well. I also know how many 95 degree days we have had since the last time they were plowing snow in spring. I personally know several county drivers/shovel leaners. They are not as overworked as you may think. They like their jobs and compensation.

@CowDung -

I'm curious - how exactly did you piss off alan eisenberg over on the coupon/savings threads?

I was shocked to see a more heated back and forth over on those threads than on the political ones – who would have guessed?

James:

I never did figure that one out...

Who's CowDung?

Don't you start that again, Alan...

@CowDung & Bob McBride -

Boy, I read over all the back and forth over on that thread and I still can't figure out what set alan off on his tirade!

Back when I used to work for the Racine Country District Attorney’s Office and the Circuit Court extension services office at the Law Enforcement Center, I would run into and have to work with alan on at least a monthly basis. He definitely lives in his own little world!

By the way ... who is CowDung? ;-)

It started here:

http://shorewood.patch.com/articles/new-salon-owner-in-shorewood-confident-in-unique-presence

Yeesh, I think Allan was having a bad hair day, all that week. If I remember, from another string, he was calling on the patch editor have Sara fired;his attitude was like 'saving people a couple of bucks with coupons was a worthless endeavor.' and 'she was a terrible person'.

@Bob -

So, was it alan that was posting the "racist and/or profane" comments that were deleted over on that thread?

@Bob & CowDung –

Do you either of you know what happened to Angry White Dude? His profile no longer shows up on Patch. If he’s gone, he will definitely be missed!

Best I can recall, it started when a discussion ensued regarding the amount of money certain folks were willing to pay for a hair cut and whether or not Shorewood needed another hair stylist, versus, say, a hardware store. At some point Alan jumped in taking the side of his "client", the operator of the hair salon and her husband. He had something to do with them purchasing the building and was (and possibly still is) involved in renting some of the units above the store. It got a bit contentious. I don't recall any racist or profane comments myself, just a rather argumentative nature and some comments that might be perceived as threats, by some, I suppose. I imagine some of those comments were flagged, which may have resulted in those being removed and the thread being closed down. As Jay said, he got into it a bit with Sara which is why it carried over to her coupon column.

Couldn't tell you a thing about AWD - I have no idea.

The Walker fans can read the writing on the wall--He and other Republicans Senators will be recalled. They are afraid and lash out at everyone.

@Sykes & McBride -

Thanks for the insight and info - very interesting. I see that alan is no longer active on Patch - it must have been all those meaningless coupon/savings threads!

Not real hard to find: About Jim
Email: james.price@patch.com
Phone 414-218-2779
Hometown: Wauwatosa, WI
Birthday: February 21, 1956

Link: http://wauwatosa.patch.com/users/jim-price-3

The first victory was Illinois, Wisconsin has been reaping a fair number of jobs, from that train wreck of a state. We will also welcome companies and jobs from Ohio.

Now that you have brought them up, I suppose you are probably aware that the so-called Walker supporters: the brothers Koch are being investigated for selling some of their products to Iran, which others refer to as aiding and abetting the enemy. When Arthur Miller wrote about this, those were the people known in common parlance as "war profiteers".

You calling me a lib? Bite ME... I think Walker is too far left.

I am not bitter so stop lying.

It is a beautiful Sunny Saturday and will get ready for a rally soon.

Cheers.

Cracker goes on the S-list just for being a Bears fan. Poor Fool...

Guess you don't have a real answer to the whole Koch Brothers tape snafu, eh? Facts are tough things.

PS. Are you a Koch Brothers plant? If so, they're wasting their money. You're terrible at your job.

He's no longer a candidate, he is the Governor of the great state of Wisconsin.

Greg,
You do understand how I could say that you are a candidate for idiot of the hour? right? Candidate doesnt mean "running for office", it could also mean "eligible for", as in Walker is eligible for a recall.

Hard earned dollars? I bet... He did not give 250 million in breaks. It is a fund up to 250 million for companies that provide jobs.

Are you a teacher, kathy?

Think you're a bit confused there, John.

This is the address of the Governor's mansion, the site of the "official" residence of the Governor of WI:

Executive Residence
99 Cambridge Road
Madison, WI 53704

The address in the article above is Walker's family home in Wauwatosa.

I wonder how many members of the recall movement just threw up in their mouths a bit at having their efforts justified with a religious reference.

@James HF... does it make you feel good to quote a piece of Bronze Age Myth? What does this have to do with anything in the real world? Of course TEAPublicans don't live there, so perhaps this fairy tale makes you feel good.

I rest my case.

Nah, James, plenty of comic relief in this thread for me. Thanks for adding your 2 cents worth.

@James Hillis Ford -

I'm just wondering - are you guys offering any great year end savings on 2011 or 2012 models?

Dearest Michael Pyter

They will sign the petitions at Walker's neighbors yard (which the petition folks got permission to use). The actually rally will be at a Park about 4 blocks away. Get your facts straight before you post and look stupid.

Get his facts straight? The headline at the top of the page reads: "Recall Organizers Plan Rally at Walker's Wauwatosa Home ", not "Recall Organizers Plan Rally at Park 4 Blocks Away from Walker's Wauwatosa Home "

but the train is so comfortable to ride on!

Like the other trains that should be running in your state and connecting you with the rest of the nation?

@CD... perhaps as a "good conservative" you never listend to the Drug Addled Rush Limbaugh? His attacks on Chelsea Clinton? His attacks on Michelle Obama?

Just one more blind and unhearing TEAPublican.

robert if you're seeing the sun shining at 9:55pm you're either on a different part of the planet or have, figuratively, left if altogether. The later of which might explain that list of 3 items you can now check off the bucket list you keep in the pocket of your musty fringed jacket.

Ah, another hero of the left. A real Rosa Parks so to say. Driving on an expired license. Twice. Power to the people!

@Uncle Ducky -

What exactly has Walker done that's so 'extreme' in your estimation?

Balance a budget that faced the largest deficit in the state's history without raising taxes?

If that's considered extreme out in Washington, I'd hate to see your budget and tax rates!

Maybe(?) you did. How much time do you spend watching them on a weekly basis, robert? Might be time for you to consider coming out of the closet.

You plan on being there yourself, Lyle? If I remember correctly you were a no show at the Occupy Milwaukee event you were all excited about prior to that occurring.

No, actually they are too busy running companies that actually HIRE people, not government workers who get a check no matter what.

@Lyle -

I can't believe that you support the underhanded tactic of getting to the man by going to his family. If you want to get to the man, then be a man yourself, and face the man directly instead of targeting his wife and kids! Only a coward would try to get to a man through his family!

I'm fine with protesting - but show some class and do it at the Governor's mansion, not his family's home. You know, it's this same kind of underhanded crap that forced Ventura out of public service altogether. Congratulations for helping to send the message that even if your an excellent leader with the ideas that could fix the world, don't you dare attempt to run for public office if you have a family unless you want them being targeted too! It must give you a warm fuzzy feeling inside!

When's the last time you saw the Tea Party protesting Michelle and the daughters when they were away from Obama? That’s right – NEVER!!! That's because the Tea Party has some class unlike so-called ‘progressives.’

I bet you were one of those protestors that used to spit on our Vietnam Vets when they came home and shouted ‘baby killer’ at them, as this tactic comes from the same playbook!

@JRH...There's only one problem, I didn't advocate the protests but if the protests are going to occur outside Walker's home, then why not counter-protest too by Walker supporters?

For your information, I served active duty in the US Navy from 1965 to 1974. Two tours S.E. Asia, 1850 flight hours and one year of regular reserves until 1975. I protested against the war and not against the vets.

@Lyle -

"I bet you were one of those protestors that used to spit on our Vietnam Vets when they came home and shouted ‘baby killer’ at them, as this tactic comes from the same playbook."

I apologize for the above statement. I was trying to make an emphatic point and took it a little too far. I think the shear veracity of the posts on this thread got to me – especially being the victim of political harassment myself. However, I still believe that the despicable treatment of our Vietnam Vets by some protestors could be reasonably equated to the strategy of going after a man's family just to get to him.

Again, I am sincerely sorry for the suggestion that you were a part of the fringe protesting our vets as opposed to merely the war in general. I salute and appreciate your service to our country. I also hope that you take the high road and repudiate this particular strategy.

Enjoy your weekend and I'll see you around the Patch! :-)

BTW – I’m not really a proponent of counter-protests, as they are nothing but counter-productive. A counter-protest isn’t going to change the minds of the original protestors, and by counter-protesting the original protest your actually lending credibility to the original protest and giving the original protestors the attention that they so desired in the first place. Essentially, counter-protests do nothing more than play into the objectives of the original protestors.

Kind of like how counter-protestors always show up to neo-nazi rallies. All the counter-protestors are doing is playing into the objectives of the neo-nazi’s by giving them the attention that they so desired in the first place. A much better way to counter-protest would be to ignore the original protestors all together. And once the original protestors see that they aren’t effectively gaining anyone’s attention any further, the original protest usually ends up dying out or becomes solely occupied by the hard-core extremists. It’s at this moment that the general public truly learns what the original protest was really all about in the first place.

Hoffa is much smarter than that, therefor, he will ignore the actual protest itself and give no credence to it!

Americans for Prosperity or the Tea Party Express might have a dozen or so out-of-state Tea-GOPs to bus in.

Lyle, for something you feel so strongly about, a "probably if I get on the bus early enough", is kind of a weak response when you're trying to draw others out so that your side isn't the only one looking goofy for participating in something like this, don't you think?

In answer to your question, yes and no. I'm consistent, Lyle. You?...well, let's see if Tuesday changes your record, so far.

@@Bob McBride...I have a possible conflict with a doctor's appointment.

So change the appointment? How hard is that to do?

It's always something, Lyle...all talk, no show.

Don't bother attempting to call others out if you're unwilling to get out of your easy chair yourself.

@Bob McBride...It's not possible to change and I won't explain here.

Of course not. Obviously if you were aware of that doctor's appointment initially, the whole "if I make the bus" doesn't really make a lot of sense, does it?

I know you love mulligans. This whole thing is one giant mulligan. So I'll be gracious and grant you an "I forgot" mulligan this time around. But that's the last one. You really need to start walking the walk if you're going to hold on to any sort of credibility, particularly when you challenge others to do what you won't.

@Lyle -

Best of luck with the Doctor's appointment - I hope that all goes well and that everything checks out A-OK!!! :-)

@Morninmist Same -

Seriously, lay off the Daily Kos - it's really starting to pollute your brain!

It never seems to amaze me the public employs seem to think they are the anoined ones and deserve more then people who pay the bills . From my exprence with the public employs the one ones who complain the most are the ones who do the least amount of work and cause the most most amount of trouble. Plain and simple if you hate the job so much quite and do us all a favor.
Reading some of the posting I it makes me wonder about thier I.Q. but maybe they are a product of the great public school system. I do not imange that you realize that you are pawns of the union elite that are trying to control this county and want the money to elected idiots to do there bidding ( just look at the Dem,s in Madison or sticky fingers Larson theres a prize) You also complain about jobs leaving the state and this country wages and benfits that are unreal taxes to supported a bloated goverment the list could go on . You blame the companys and wall street did you every think about where you rretirement t money is invested .

Thank you Lowenstein for reminding the "if I want it to be true, it will be!" mindset of some posters here. The shady behavior has been from the Koch-sponsored right wing Governor and his micro-toadies. Dan Vitek, if you are going to deride public education and posters' intelligence I urge you to at least spell-check your self before you post. Otherwise it's difficult to take your remarks seriously, even beyond the fact that you have drunk deeply from the Koch-brothers TV/radio ad kool-aid. And think about retirement money that is invested in Wall Street. What happened to sensible savings rates and prudent investing? The loss of pension plans in this country has forced the majority of Americans to gamble with their savings, and we've seen how well that works. The "house" always wins.

@Bren -

Decent interest rates on savings went bye-bye because the libs got involved in monetary policy and artificially reduced interest rates to next to nothing and then started ‘quantitative easing’ to prevent hyper-inflation from occurring which led to the massive amount of debt that we now carry.

In other words - you guys didn't think it was fair to have to pay 10% interest for a mortgage, 12.8% interest on a car, etc. So, you made money super cheap and loosened access to it under the notion that everyone should be able to buy a house and car, even if they really couldn't afford it.

And that's exactly what happened. The poor and middle class used all this cheap money and spent it - putting themselves into debt. While the smart rich, who proved to be excellent credit risks, took all the cheap money and used it to make even more money off of by wisely investing it. Makes sense, doesn't it?

But now, your side is crying 'that's not fair that the rich used the cheap money to make even more money for themselves while the middle class and poor irresponsibly spent it and went even deeper into debt.'

Give it up already!!! And knock off the Koch Bros conspiracy theories already, it’s really starting to get pathetic!

@Lowenstein -

You guys were disseminating the same 'facts' during the Kloppenburg v Prosser election and the senatorial recalls, and we all know how those turned out, don't we?

So if it's a 'fact' that 'majority rules,' then why haven't you guys accepted that fact as reality yet?

Keith, I agree. The office of President of the United States should be filled by a person who engenders respect and the spirit of cooperation around the world. Not one of the Republican candidates makes me believe that they will treat the office with respect. We don't need another George W. Bush who acted as if the world stage was the common area in his frat house!

@Bren -

And Obama does all those things! BBBWWWAAAHHHAAAHHHAAAHHHAAAHHHAAA!!!

Was that supposed to be the Bren comedy relief of the day?

The only people paid to post, post in this fashion:

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+ + + Jim my Cho o - 95.00 + +
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(etc, etc)
* * * @ cheapshoes.c om

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In order for someone to actually pay someone to post, there has to be at least some sort of chance of there being a payoff.

Why would anyone pay anyone to sit in their basement or at Starbucks or Alterra or their office while they're pretending to do something else to post a bunch of talking points when there's already an overabundance of people willing to do it for nothing?

First of all, it's Karl Rove, he doesn't have unlimited funds, nor do any of the former partisan power brokers now paying the bills by arguing with other talking heads on the cable infotainment channels - on either side of the political equation.

Given your lack of basic knowledge in that department, you've got little to offer in support of paid posters participating in this piece of partisan pablum.

And if that's not enough for you, please point out to me any argument made here so brilliantly that it would be worth paying for when compared to the free backwash that would completely drown that out, were it even present.

Hey Bob, I just have to point out that if Karl Rove doesn't have "unlimited" funds (although he is very well funded), others come a lot closer.

You didn't have to point that out, but you did and I'll give you a pat on the head for doing so.

@Bren -

I found the perfect place for you! It's this community located in the northwestern jungles of Guyana where everyone works solely for the good of the community/collective as a whole. There is no self-interest what-so-ever. It's truly a utopian society where after working in the fields all day, the members of the community congregate ever night to sing Kumbaya and toast s’mores!

So get packing and book the next earliest flight to Guyana! Once there, look for a man by the name of Jones and he’ll take you to this heaven on earth, where you’ll be happy forever and finally free of those evil Koch Bros!

Truckee - seriously, use your head. Would you be willing to pay someone to do something no better than you could get 100 folks to do for free? There is absolutely no shortage of people willing to do that.

Now if you're operating under the assumption that no one would possibly argue the points you've seen argued here unless they were paid to do so, then you've not been paying attention to polls, elections...any number of statistical renderings of the divide in this country, which remains pretty even. If you don't believe that stuff, think it's all rigged, think the fix is in on all levels, then you're probably beyond help and hope in terms of understanding how our political system works. Nobody's marching anyone into the polling places and forcing them to pull the lever or fill in the blanks or punch the cards or respond to pollsters in one particular fashion or another.

The fact that I disagree with you and all the rest on the left for the most part on every subject doesn't mean I think you don't honestly believe what you believe. I also don't believe that there aren't enough of you like-minded folks willing to post of your own volition that anyone would be foolish enough to pay someone to do the same.

And like Karl Rove (or any other of the folks on either side that do what he does) or not, no one is realistically is going to call him (or any of the others that have achieved the kind of success he has doing what he does) a fool.

@Morninmist Same –

I thought that this was the official anthem of the liberal/progressive movement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjwAujkFL3c

Obama will not be please to learn that you defected away from the official anthem!

BTW - Here's Walker's new anthem, just in case you were interested!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeoHcB9_wss

James..
Your depiction of Walker--in what you call "Walker's anthem" does remind me of him in many respects---such as Walker strolling into a speech with his 'I am the king' mentality surrounded by his fans (ha ha). But the tall blond in your Youtube just stands there---with a look of being out of his leauge ---Just as Walker is. Walker wants to be on the national scene with the big boys, But even KS told him to say home. Poor widdle boy! Oh well, maybe Walker will have better luck next week when he flies to AZ and CA to fund raise.

http://myplayfulself.com/wordpress/archives/9467
Fundamentally Kleefisch
Walker Not in Kansas Anymore
November 11th, 2011 | Author: Dennis Kern
THANK YOU Kansas workers led by the Wichita / Hutchinson Labor Federation and the Working Kansas Alliance

VICTORY! Fearing Mass Protest Governor Walker Cancels Wichita Visit – Kansans say “NO” to Walker’s radical brand of politics.

In the wake of mass protests of his attacks on working families in his home state, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker has cancelled a high-priced Wichita fundraiser with Governor Brownback and RNC Chair Reince Priebus. Kansas says NO to Walker

.....
James R Hoffa

4:27pm on Saturday, November 12, 2011

@Morninmist Same –

@Morninmist Same –

Walker = Apollo Creed / Rocky Balboa / James Brown
Democrats = Ivan Drago

Get it?

Of course I do - The International Brotherhood of Teamsters!

Did you know that Hoffa was adamantly against public sector unionization? An anecdote from his autobiography 'Hoffa: The Real Story' describes a situation wherein James R. was approached by a police officer at the McClellan Committee Hearings who asked him 'hey Jim, when are you going to organize the police force' to which Hoffa responded 'organizing the cops is the easy part, striking an appropriate balance between labor and government – that’s the tough part.'

Hoffa, much like FDR, realized and understood the conflict of interest inherent with public sector unionization and kept the Teamsters from intermingling with public sector employees/unions during his tenure as the IBT's President. It's also well known that Hoffa was an extremely conservative man, always voted Republican, and even had the IBT endorse Nixon during his winning candidacy. After Hoffa disappeared, the IBT would go on to endorse Reagan in both his original election and re-election bids, despite Reagan breaking the air traffic controllers’ union late in his first term.

Undoubtedly, you're probably shocked to learn this, but I assure you, it's all 100% verifiable TRUTH and FACT.

And much like the real JRH, I strongly stand with the private sector unions and adamantly against the public sector unions. Ergo, there’s no hypocrisy or irony involved with my choice of screen name.

JRH,
The quote you supplied does not show that he "adamantly opposed public unions". But, I guess I will trust you on that one. What I will challenge is that the Republicans and not the same party that he was voting for. As for education, the union can only "ask" in a collective bargaining situation, but the school board doesnt have to approve and they can definitely counter with "nothing" or "less than nothing". Does this happen? Yes, and an arbitrator comes in and weighs out the offers, the scenario under which this is occurring, and gives what they would believe is an amiable solution. People who sit in on the meetings: board bargaining committee, financial manager for district, and usually a human resources manager. I have seen this work, and work very well for BOTH parties.

@Say What? -

It wasn't a quote, but rather a summarization of a point. He went on to describe the conflict as being one where the traditional labor union model just wouldn't work properly in the public sector. He did, however, see potential value in public sector advocacy groups (like professional trade organizations), or to put it more simply, governmental lobbyists - but definitely NOT unions.

Hmmm... I don't think the system worked as good as you represented here. Often times, the public sector unions would gain control over local school boards by ensuring that union sympathizers were elected to sit on and essentially govern those boards. In all reality, many school board became a ‘rubber stamp’ to union demands, in a similar fashion to the way you guys are now claiming the Wisconsin legislature is a ‘rubber stamp’ to Walker’s agenda.

Also, according to historical statistical data provided by the Tax Foundation, Wisconsin’s property tax burden went from being the 28th highest in the nation during the 60’s (when public sector unions really started coming on strong with organizing) to the 8th highest today! Yeah, that was a really good system that definitely worked “very well for BOTH parties.” When you refer to “BOTH parties,” I presume you were referring to the union and the Democratic Party, as no one was really representing the taxpayer’s interest in those negotiations, that’s for sure!

Try again.

JRH,
In the situation I am in, yes, it has been good for both parties. I havent received a raise in 3 years. And the first two were because the union saw an opportunity with a budget crunch to keep staff on by not taking raises. This is only one example of two parties working together. Just because dysfunction is the main course these days doesnt mean that there arent groups that have been working fine. It also doesnt mean that rules dont exist to provide methods for dealing with these situations.

@Say What? -

You make it sound like you deserve a raise. When you choose public sector employment, you accept the risk of a fluctuating compensation package based on the overall health of the taxpaying base that provides the revenues from which that compensation is derived. In other words, you get paid what the taxpayers want and/or can afford to pay you. When the economy goes up, you can expect to get paid more. But when the economy goes down, as it has been for at least the last 3 years, so should your pay. It's that simple. There should be no expected standard of stability in public sector compensation.

We shouldn't have to borrow money or raise taxes beyond the status quo just to make payroll. That's an abuse of the function of government upon the taxpayers, and that's why great labor loving men such as JRH and FDR didn't support public sector unionization.

The public employees get to vote just like everyone else, ergo their interests are already protected via the elected political leadership - especially at the local level. Why on earth do you need an intermediary, the union, to negotiate your pay/benefits/working conditions against the elected representatives that already represent your interests, as well as all the other taxpaying constituents? See the conflict of interest and why public sector unions are antithetical by their very nature?

And if you’re not happy with the new system, no one is forcing you to work in the public sector.

Well, frankly I think there is more to it than what you have just posted. And, if mobility for pay is so easy that I should just switch careers, the same should be said of those in the private sector. In that case, I do believe that private sector unions are redundant, because if the business doesnt have their best interest in mind, they can easily switch jobs or careers to get the pay they want. If you are, at a minimum, thoughtful, we should be able to agree that what you are saying is not the case as everywhere. There is a local school district that was starting new teachers at $26k while another was starting at $34k. If unions had the public by the balls, why did this discrepancy exist? And, what does the public think a teacher should make? And what would that be based off of? Better yet, what should an administrator make? I dont hear anyone >itching about that one.

@Say What? –

As you apparently don’t understand, here are the fundament differences between the private and public sectors:

Private Sector (Business) -
Overall Goal: Maximize profit.
Primary Beneficiary of Achieved Goal: Individual business owner(s).
Mechanism Used to Achieve Goal: Minimize expenses.
How Labor Factors In: An easily replaceable expense.
Worker’s Representation in Business Management: None (market forces), unless a worker holds enough shares of stock in the business to be a voting member of its Board of Directors OR the worker is a member of a labor union.

Public Sector (Government) -
Overall Goal: Provide vital services for the good of society.
Primary Beneficiary of Achieved Goal: Society as a whole, the collective.
Mechanism Used to Achieve Goal: Striking a balance between fairness and the health of the taxpaying base that provides government with it’s revenue stream.
How Labor Factors In: A valued and appreciated asset.
Worker’s Representation in Government Management: A vote that counts equally with others in determining an elected governmental representative.

See how inherently different in scope, intent, and operation the private and public sectors are from one another? The traditional labor union model was created to operate within the private sector. See why the traditional labor union model isn’t necessary and only acts to create a conflict of interest within the public sector? Now do you see why great labor loving men stood strong against public sector unionization?

Advocacy groups (lobbyists) are fine in the public sector, but not unions!

And it's the people (government) that should decide how much a teacher or administrator should be paid, as it's their not for profit money that provides the revenue from which such compensation is derived - not unions!

JRH,
This is my last comment to you on this matter. As you so accuse me, you apparently have absolutely no clue to how the collective bargaining system works. So, frankly, this is a mute point. What I dont get is why you are advocating for lobbyist at all layers of government. I can't imagine how a lobbyist to a school board would be in anyway benefiting the constituents, as I also cannot believe that Paying a fair wage and benefits to educators is somehow against the community's best interest. I fail to see you mention DPW workers, who get paid, on average, that which a teacher makes. Differences between the has me wondering why you choose to chase down teachers as if they burned your house down. Maybe it is that you dont value what they do. Maybe it is that you dont value the education that you have. Maybe you dont believe that they should be able to make a single income household work. I dont know, and as you are appearing to be too dense to have a reasonable conversation with, I am going to move on with my life and on to the recall. Good luck to you, and your beliefs. Have a great Thanksgiving.

@Say What? -

When did I ever single out teachers? I'm talking about ALL public sector workers - if the paycheck comes from the taxpayers, then the ideology applies equally across all professions, from teachers to DPW workers and everyone else in-between. You're the one who specifically singled out teachers – not me.

Also, it's been reported that since Act 10 took effect, many educators have been joining professional advocacy groups (lobbyists). I never said I endorsed such an idea per say, however, if I had to choose between public sector unions or lobbyists, I choose the lobbyists because it's my responsibility as a voter to hold the elected leadership responsible for their actions/in-actions and the lobbyist system permits me to easily do so. With the union system, not so much – especially when it comes to employee performance / quality of public services being offered. Again, a part of that fundamental difference between public and private sector employment.

And I apologize for the ‘you apparently don’t understand’ comment – I honestly didn’t mean anything by it other than I didn’t believe that you were seeing the big picture or weren’t fairly considering it when making your arguments.

And yes, coming from a multi-generational UAW family, I’m very familiar with how collective bargaining works!

Thanks, and I also hope that you and your family have a wonderful holiday season as well.

Brian
You living in LA LA land makes your post LA LA.

We are going after Republican Senators also. We got 2 booted out last time just remember.

MS-You have about as good as chance of recalling Walker as you did Alberta Darling. As far as Wanggaard, we love him down in Racine and I am quite positive we will withstand any challenge from any of the dems down here. The more you people whine, the stronger support Walker gets, so please, keep on whining, and using the tactics of intimidation. The more people find out how Act 10 is working, the less chance you have; and we are getting the message out. Even on the official "We Are Milwaukee" page, the ones in support of the Walker recall, there is a 6 - 1 margin in support of Walker. You people either think Wisconsinites are stupid; or sympathetic to your cause. Neither is the case.

@jbw -

Did you see anyone on the right trying to recall Doyle, despite his raising taxes against his campaign promises, illegally raiding segregated funds, use of accounting gimmicks, taking WI into debt with neighboring states over reciprocity agreements, negotiating to buy foreign locomotives, etc?

Does that answer your question?

Luckily, we won’t have to worry about that because it’s going to be razor close as to whether or not the DPW will collect enough signatures to even trigger a recall election. And if they do, Walker will carry the state by at least an 8 point margin.

The real question is will Walker be re-elected after serving his first term, that is of course if he’ll even want to seek a second term. All of the underhanded tactics are what scared Jesse Ventura away from public service. I guess we’ll find out what kind of resolve Walker ends up having. Even if he doesn’t, his legacy will be that of putting Wisconsin back on the right track!

Mike
Your advocating that people come from other states to sign the petitions shows your stupidity. RepublicansTeaParty are already advocating tactics which are a felony and you join these morally deficient folks with your post. Shame on you.

That's because they don't talk about. Are you really that limited in your thinking. Yeah, you're right, it's all Walker's fault. He's to blame for the death threats. Let's get the kids!

@Bucky -- his wife chose him, so she is at least partly responsible for her current situation. The kids weren't consulted. However, I'm sure they know their father is very unpopular at the moment.

This is a large state, filled with people of varying degrees of sanity and maturity. There are bound to be one or two death threats simply for putting oneself in the public eye, not to mention from taking such a controversial stance. This goes both ways -- has anyone seen the rough talk about President Obama some places? It's deplorable, no matter which side is doing it.

I personally hope that Mr. Walker is sent home legally and ignominiously, as he deserves. I'm sorry his family has to see the people's displeasure, but his bubble of insulation doesn't extend to his neighbors' yards or the public sidewalks outside.

@Kieth Best...I hope everyone that reads the Patch is aware that you are on the Republican Party Executive Committee of Waukesha County. You are certainly biased in your postings. You will put out whatever talking points the party comes up with. We all know the full negative impact of the education cuts will not take full effect until the 2012/2013 school year. So cut the B.S.

Lyle's right, Keith. You're biased. You need to be unbiased, like Lyle, and, rather than actually get involved in the process, talk a good game and then stay home when the opportunity to back up your words presents itself.

Lyle, shouldn't we be sorting all the folks in this thread who are verifiably affiliated with some sort of biased, political organization? Just for the sake of fairness? I mean, why stop with this particular Keith, for instance?

@Bob McBride -- which do you want? For people to 'target Gov. Walker's wife and children' by demonstrating outside their home, or to 'talk a good game' and sign our recall petitions less publicly, while respecting the family's privacy?

@Lyle -

If the numbers are correct, then why is it B.S.? Is a part of the new liberal strategy denial of hard facts? How do you know that the 2012/2013 school year will face a negative impact due to education funding cuts? "We all know the full negative impact" is a rather strong statement to make - especially when premised upon events that haven't yet occurred! If you're so good at predicting the future, then why haven't you won the lottery yet and donated all of the winnings to charity?

Come on Lyle, you're not being very fair or balanced and your bias is showing!

Randy, I think my conversation with Lyle yesterday was pretty self-explanatory.

You're another one, frankly. You gonna be showing up at Walker's house in Tuesday? Or do the gutters need more attention?

As regards Lyle's outburst here, again, selective in his insistence that those who are affiliated with a particular political operation be identified - at least as far as this Keith is concerned.

@Lyle Ruble... Proving you are a slow learner, for the 3rd time, if you're going to direct your comments to me, learn how to spell my name correctly. And yes I am a proud member of the strictly volunteer, unpaid Ex. committee, unlike the paid unionistas, and I don't use party talking points. I use facts to bolster my opinions, if that's OK with you Lie-L. LOL!!!

@Bob McBride -- I admire your genius for 'damned if you do, damned if you don't'. I truly do. The only real reason to show up on 68th Street this coming Tuesday (other than to relive my flaming youth) would be to sign the petition as early as possible and to make sure I'm signing one that won't end up in a Conservative's fireplace,as some of those good folks are announcing they will do.

My understanding is that Mr. Walker will be elsewhere on that day. My only promise is what I've said all along -- to sign the recall petition and to vote when the time comes.

@Lyle Ruble... If you don't like the statistics that Keith Best shared in his post(above), write your own blog article and rebut, in an itemized and detailed form, only the specific contents in Kieth's[sic] post;no Chicken Little style speculation into possible future events.

@bob McBride....I think you are right, people should identify who they are affiliated with. I like the transparency. My issue with Keith and others is that they need to identify themselves and bias so that people can see the spin and evaluate accordingly.

The current information coming out is limited in scope and sounds more like testimonials. We need to understand the personal impact and then judge accordingly. Another year from now we'll know a great deal more. I hope that these programs are working, but I still think it's too early to know. Going on and claiming success prematurely may be good politics but can and probably are misleading.

Lyle, then either you leave it up them to self-identify, or if you're going to start calling this Keith out, then you need to call the other Keith out as well. I know you know exactly who he's affiliated with as well.

@Lyle -

That's funny. I seem to recall you praising Obama's Jobs Bill (Stimulus II) without you fully "understand[ing] the personal impact and then judg[ing] accordingly," the ramifications that such would have on our society. You need to drop the whole 'do as I say, but not as I do' mentality Lyle. I realize that it's kind of a cornerstone of the leftist ideology, but the people just aren't buying it anymore!

And where exactly do you get off?

"We all know the full negative impact of the education cuts will not take full effect until the 2012/2013 school year."

That's a huge difference compared to:

"I hope that these programs are working... ."

You've already concluded in numerous posts here on Patch that Walker's agenda will do nothing but wreck the state. So don't try and sell us your whole 'I'm going to wait and see before I judge' line now!

That's just ludicrous and insane!!!

@Bob -

You wouldn't by chance be referring to Keith Schmitz, associated with the self-declared cooperative book retailer Open Book, of Shorewood, who was also the recent recipient of a $35,000 low interest loan from taxpayers, would you?

Jimmy , rewind , and read your own comments before you submit them. I don't believe that I have ever read anything that you posted that shows any signs of intelligence. Your a great name caller , but I don't think that you have the intelligence to carry on a non name calling debt on here with anyone. Maybe its because of the people you hang with here. Their IQ's have to be near single digits. Every time I post ... because I assume that where on the opposite sides of the fence , all you come back with is an attack on me with your smack trash talking . People like you in this country is not the solution , you and yours are the problem.

@Bucky -

You mean how I completely destroyed your false tax break arguments by directly citing to two independent sources that also concluded that they were false?

Yeah, go back to reading the Daily Kos now!

BTW – I concluded that your family must have mental issues from the standard that you laid out in claiming that Walker’s family must have mental issues. If I was Walker’s son, I’d be damned proud of my Dad and wouldn’t let any of the nay-sayers convince me otherwise. And anyone that attacks or goes after people (via death threats, indirect protesting, public boycotts, and the slew of underhanded tactics that the left seems to be employing lately) just because they happen to think differently with their political leanings are nothing but hypocrites to the extreme.

Your arguments are flawed from the get go because you falsely presume that any ‘real’ people would automatically be against Walker and the current Republican agenda and only think as you do. Well, guess what, unlike what Pelosi seems to think, the Tea Party really are more than just “astro-turf.” Maybe you should start acknowledging such when making your analysis and just might come to different conclusions – especially personal ones about how Walker’s family must feel/think of him!

@Bucky -

We debunked your false tax break arguments over on the other thread, and now you come over here and start perpetuating this kind of crap?

Give us a break already - the only family that needs mental help is yours!

BTW - Walker isn't in a popularity contest. He's a governmental leader, meaning sometimes you have to make the tough choices that not everyone is going to agree with.

If you want popularity contests, stick with Trump's pageants and stay out of politics!

Sorry that the truth really hurts Jim , but try looking at the big picture sometime and put yourself in Walkers kids shoes.

Jim you think that you run the show on here but you don't. You wouldn't make a good pimple on my Ass.

@Bucky -

Why do you have pimples on your ass? Don't you bathe?

Bucky, you have to be kidding me. You are speculating the nature of the household based on what you see from the street? Project much? It's clear we're seeing the true face of the left here in this thread. Angry because their government gimmiedats are being reduced now that the taxpayers have decided to take back control of the finances of our state. So sorry, we like where we're headed and will do what we can to keep it that way.

Bucky:

Perhaps he keeps his shades drawn because of the nonsense displayed below:

http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/129628258.html

@Lyle -

I merely encourage AWD to speak his mind and share his insights. It doesn't mean that I necessarily agree with everything he has to say, does it? Often times, AWD does make very valid points with real concerns, even if he isn’t the most articulate or pc in conveying such on these boards. But that’s what makes AWD unique, and I for one can appreciate that, as I'm tolerant of all viewpoints - even those that may be considered socially controversial. Believe me, if you watch Reverend Al ever weekday on MS-NBC’s Politics Nation as I try and do, you learn to appreciate the unique but controversial perspective!

Additionally, I was trying to inject a little light heartedness and political humor into the mix via my replying post to AWD’s posting.

BTW – There are plenty of posts on here making unfounded personal attacks against Walker, the Koch Bros, and conservative leaning commentators on this board – where’s your lashing out against those personal attacks? Why do only call out the personal attacks made by conservatives, while blatantly drawing a blind eye and completely ignoring those made by liberal or left leaning commentators?

Either be consistent or drop your double standard morality Lyle! And learn to lighten up a little for pete sakes!

Did you miss the post immediately above yours wherein liberal/left leaning '@Bucky' said this about me:

"You wouldn't make a good pimple on my Ass"

Did you see me freak out about that rather personal attack? Of course not. And that’s just one example of the many on this board alone wherein the left is personally attacking the right. In fact, if we look at all the posts together, there are actually more messages of personal attack coming from the left than the right here. Where’s the outrage Lyle?

Come on already! Let’s get real!

@JRH...I am sensitive to much of the virulence coming out on both sides of the political isle. I have a very low tolerance to racial bigots. It probably has something to do with my time spent working for voter's rights in the south during the 1960s.

In any case, it is just wrong to personalize criticism with discounts. If an argument doesn't stand on its own merits, then expect to have someone more clever point it out. AWD is attempting to incite just as a number of people on the left. I don't see that I am encouraging "Bucky" as you are with AWD.

@Lyle -

"If an argument doesn't stand on its own merits, then expect to have someone more clever point it out."

You mean like you just recently did with Kieth (sic) Best, right? Although, I'm not so sure that calling his statistics "B.S." necessarily qualifies as a clever rebuttal premised upon a logical argument to the contrary. Instead, it appears as if you were attempting to incite by your flagrant and unfounded declaration of "B.S." Looks like you're one of those guys on left that incites as well, eh Lyle?

Almost kinda proves AWD's charge of "false righteousness," doesn't it?

BTW - I don't encourage the attempts to incite, only the sharing of opinions and positions. Big distinction there, so let’s set the record straight, shall we?

Plus, I was happy to see that AWD was back on Patch, as I thought he had left seeing as how his old profile is no longer visible. Forgive my over exuberance. And how bad can a guy who owns a 'Rage Against the Machine' concert jacket really be at heart? I think to understand AWD, you have to view most of his posts as being somewhat sarcastic in order to find his true message.

Plus, I think he likes the attention you give him!

Like I said before - lighten up a little Lyle.

James
You just did you freak out victimization tantrum. Yes you did.

...............
James R Hoffa

3:47pm on Sunday, November 13, 2011

Did you miss the post immediately above yours wherein liberal/left leaning '@Bucky' said this about me:

"You wouldn't make a good pimple on my Ass"

Did you see me freak out about that rather personal attack? Of course not.

What, ready to lose again? We've been down this route and you have failed and will fail again. A whole whopping 25 people showed up for the Racine recall Walker training. Pretty pathetic for the third most populated county in the state. Prediction in advance that not enough "legal" signatures will be received for either Walker or Wanggaard. Just saying...

Hey Brian.

Just a reminder that the Democrats picked up TWO seats in the WI Senate.
And it was the RepublicanTeaParty that LOST all 3 of their attempts to recall Democrats.

AND there have been several training sessions in Racine. You may have attended one session or have knowledge of one session only.

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Brian Dey

4:44pm on Sunday, November 13, 2011

What, ready to lose again? We've been down this route and you have failed and will fail again. A whole whopping 25 people showed up for the Racine recall Walker training. Pretty pathetic for the third most populated county in the state. Prediction in advance that not enough "legal" signatures will be received for either Walker or Wanggaard. Just saying...

MS- Let's see, you picked up a seat by a guy that had issues that we couldn't even support, and someone out west in a highly democratic district who squeaked by in the general election, but couldn't defeat the two that really mattered, and won what? You still don't have the majority, and the districts you now have targeted are more like Darling's district and we see how soundly deeated you were there.

Those have to be some pretty complicated training sessions. Ring doorbell, ask for signature, get pertinent information, say thank you - oh, and leave the hippy regalia at home, make sure you tuck the dread's in if you're Ras Trent, make sure you don't reek of reefer or Patch-ouli oil, watch out for over usage of the words "dude" and "like" and don't argue or stand there looking dumbfounded if someone says "no".

@Bob -

How did you get your hands on one of their training books? :-)

I have my ways.

It takes a lot of training to forge others signatures.

john
Folks like brian day and bob mc and others who mock our recall efforts are internet bullies with nothing else to do except demostrate their stupidity.

I and hundreds of others who attended the training sessions will be out meeting people and collecting valid signatures. That is what they are afraid of.

Best to you.

Mo MS and John, we are pretty confident and fired up to defeat you once again. We just know that your side will lie and cheat to hold on to the over-inflated pensions and healthcare; or have we forgotten the phony doctor excuses, sick-outs, etc... We also know that you don't have nearly the support you think you have so you resort to the union standby; intimidation (i.e. - protesting Walker's and ond other elected officials homes). But it's okay, because the ugliness and greed of your campaign against what's right only plays to our hand and the general population is sick of your tactics. The good news is that all your efforts and whining will still never overturn Act 10 even if you prevail because there is no way you can get the seats in the Assembly. So waste your time, effort and money... This only helps us on the right and we will just continue to watch the demise of the Wisconsin Democratic Party.

I bet they didn't tell you that at the training sessions...

Morninmist I'm not afraid of your recall and certainly am I in no way afraid of your silly protests like this one. Mocking the ridiculous nature of both is, frankly, too hard to resist.

If the recall succeeds, it will do so because your side of the equation is so incapable of accepting not getting your way, that you're willing to do virtually anything to reverse the course. Your side is all about uniting those who find comfort in viewing themselves as victims. Victims need something or someone to be a victim to. This time around it's Scott Walker and since, in truth, much of what he's doing isn't that earth-shattering, you need some evil overlords running things from behind the scenes - the Koch brothers - to make it seem diabolical.

Since so many of you are dependent on the government wallet, whether it be as employees or wards of the state, your reaction to any attempt to constrain government spending is to be expected. It's alway all about the money - on both sides of the equation. Money is a strong motivator and for those who are now faced with having to make cuts in their lifestyle (similar to those made for years now by the rest of us who aren't dependent on the government for our income) the motivation to attempt prevent that by running Walker out of office is strong. So there is a very good chance the recall will succeed.

Eventually the cuts will have to be made and they won't be as gentle as those made by Walker & Co. Recall, then wait and see.

@robert heule -

Hoffa going to prison was nothing but the result of a personal vendetta between Hoffa and that slimy little weasel Robert 'Bobby' Kennedy, who broke numerous constitutional rights and laws in order to achieve putting Hoffa behind bars! All the Vegas loans were legit!!! And Test Fleet was legit!!! In all reality, RFK and all the other Kennedy’s, should have been the ones sentenced to prison – NOT HOFFA!!! Although, I do have to admit that they did get him fair and square on the jury tampering charge. But, RFK never jumped from the Capitol dome after Hoffa's first acquittal like he promised he would. I believe that the name Kennedy is synonymous with the terms LIAR and HYPOCRITE!!! Not even J. Edgar Hoover or LBJ liked or trusted RFK very much – that alone speaks volumes as to RFK’s lack of any character or integrity!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTGGCquwLgM

It's hard to say how Hoffa would feel about the Republican Party of today. Hoffa was an extremely conservative man in practically ever aspect of his life. One thing he definitely wouldn’t have any problems with though is Walker’s BRB/Act 10 – that much is clear.

@john -

Who said that I was trying to emulate James Riddle Hoffa? I never did - only you appear to be asserting that.

And by the way "james hoffa jr" is not the current President of the IBT. The correct name of the current President of the IBT would be James Phillip Hoffa - as a member, I'd thought you’d at least know this much!

keep up the good work ms! solidarity!

ms, have you heard about the gov's appearance at ruud lighting in sturtevant on 11-15-11 @9am? racinians will be able to sign the recall petitions right across the street from the ceremony

Best of luck with all recall efforts. May there be a light at the end of the tunnel you have been in.

Don’t get me wrong. I am not against rightful protest. And regarding the recall election, state laws permit it, so I’m willing to wait for the end result without objecting to the underlying recall process. However, locating a protest in a residential neighborhood and directed to the family and children of the Governor is simply uncalled for. Especially in view of the fact that such a protest can occur in many other, less invasive locations.

Your personal profile for Patch mentions that you “[are] unashamed to call [yourself] a liberal in [your] personal political beliefs, and that “[you] have 25 years of training and experience in journalism and [you] can assure readers that [you] have never let any personal beliefs affect my sense of fairness and balance in reporting or editing any story.”

While I have no opinion regarding your personal political beliefs, I respectfully disagree with your statement of “fairness and balance in reporting or editing any story.” In view of your political beliefs, perhaps it is your 25 years of training and experience in journalism that will lead you to disguise a thinly veiled call for arms as a fair and balanced news article? In being fair and balanced, it is necessary to provide links to the protest group’s web sites while providing detailed time/location information relating to the planned protest itself? It certainly is noteworthy that your Patch article was also posted to the HuffPost web site, where it gets broader coverage.

Certainly, your article could adequately convey the story underlying its title without providing such detailed “flyer” information relating to planned times and locations? Or, it could at least be fair enough to report that not all people are in agreement with it. Perhaps you can write a follow-up story reporting such disagreement, or discussing the constitutional rights both for and against it? Would that not be “fair and balanced?”

Well said patchreader 123!!!

@ Mr. Price......with friends like you, Walker doesn't need enemies.

Bravo patchreader 123 - nicely done my friend!!!

john do you know for a fact that they were fired for trying to organize? If not, then the accusation you're making could get you in a lot of hot water.

@john -

Unless you can back up what you’re saying with concrete proof, your assertions against Brian Dey are libelous and expose you to a potential lawsuit premised upon such grounds! Be very careful here john! Just a friendly reminder.

John- It is a good thing that you don't give your full name on here or yes indeed, you would be in a lot of hot water for slander and libel, to mention a few. I served on the Racine Unified School Board from 2005-2008. I had an unsucessful run for the village board in 2007. For your information, I was a member of the IAMAW for nearly 9 years, so I know about the inner workings of loabor organizations, and I have been on the other side of the table with the Steelworkers, IAMAW, SEIU, REA/REAA, Painters and carpenters union to name a few, John. So you must be referring to the business that I have owned and operated for over 20 years, and to my knowledge, and we are a very small corporation, none of my employees ever left disgruntled, nor active employees ever search you out for advice to join the teamsters and organize a union within my firm. You, along with many other public sector union leaders, have spread nothing but purely undocumented lies that have at the very lesat, misinformed your dues paying patrons on behalf of your own personal self-serving interests, and that is absolutely dispicable. I've been on the other end of the table with public unions, and have seen first hand, the corruption for which union leaders represent, and have heard the backroom comments of how the taxpayer was an unlimited resource to personal wealth for the unions.

Anonymity is only skin deep.

I am here!

And what is it that you request of me?

No, john, it's not the same. Suggesting that you know that folks were let go because they attempted to organize is not the same as "the result was the same". You have no idea why they were let go unless you, personally, saw their personnel files. Your membership in a union doesn't protect you from abiding by the laws of the land, which specifically prohibit libelous statements of that nature. I'd suggest you either delete your post, or make very clear that you were mistaken in casting aspersions on Brian Dey.

@john -

When did Walker ever call public sector workers 'greedy,' as you've asserted?

@john -

I haven't represented myself as being anyone - you're the one who came to that conclusion on your own. If Patch doesn't like my screen name, I'll change it. Until then, why doesn't john try worrying about john.

BTW – Toilet fixtures all over the world have expressed a concern to me that you’re falsely representing their interests here on Patch by your use of the screen name ‘john.’ I have therefor taken it upon myself to send an email expressing such concerns to toilet manufacturers throughout the world. You may want to change your screen name.

Grow up already and get a life!

bob, brian's board run was unsucessful,, so he had nothing to do with what i was talking about, and even though i knew some of the public employees in question, no i did not see their files. so draw your own conclusions. and no, i am not a paid union leader, i am only a stewerd. and from my side of things, we have taken cuts in benefits and shared the cost of those benifits more and more over the past 6-10 years. and wages have been frozen for me 5 of the last six years. my performande at my job is rated highly, but i have not seen any performance based pay as the governor seems to promise! bottom line, i want him recalled.

@john -

Walker's legislation merely gives local level governments the ability to award compensation based upon merit. If you're not seeing performance based pay, but do deserve it, then blame your local level elected officials for not implementing that kind of pay scale/structure - but don’t blame Walker. He gave the localities the tools. If the localities aren't using those tools, how exactly is it his fault - and please be specific.

If that's what your upset about, then you're targeting the wrong guy out of ignorance.

BTW - What local are you a member of?

Or you could go find a similar job in the private sector, if you think you're making less than you should be. Granted, if you decide to complain about the work and the compensation repeatedly in public as you have here, you'll probably get your you-know-what canned. So I guess if putting up with all that is worth it just to be able to complain about it constantly, I guess that's something - hang your hat on that and be happy.

And spare us the snow plow story. Anyone who has lived in this area for any period of time can pretty much figure out how many nights a year that's even an issue.

@john -

What you said here:

"... when some of your workers camr to me to find out how to get into the teamsters? it seems that a lot of those people were fired for trying to organize. why? isn't that illegal?"

is far different that what you are saying here:

"... brian's board run was unsucessful,, so he had nothing to do with what i was talking about... ."

So john, which is it?

I assure you that many in the private sector have had their plans for retirement changed rather significantly over the past few years as well...

Well gee john wouldn't we all like things to be back the way they when we made those decisions back 25, 20, 15, 10 or for that matter 5 years ago? But they aren't and that's the point. Trust me, a lot of other things besides what you'd like to refer to as "walkers cuts to municipalities" have occurred during that period of time to change the employment picture for everyone.

So if you know you can do better in the private sector go do so, feel fortunate that you can and quit your gawdalmighty b**ching already!

good luck john

john
3:36pm on Monday, November 14, 2011
we will see all the cryin on recall day! i'm gone and will not be back on here . so team up on someone else

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Probably should have stuck to your word, john. Didn't really work out well for Favre and it's sure not working for you.

You boys go for it.

It actually sounds like they learned their tactics from the recall organizers who planned the rally at Walker's Wauwatosa home...

Personally, I think the recall organizers are wrong to target Walker's family home, and it is wrong for Dirk and TosaRealist to respond in kind. We shouldn't be bringing peoples' homes or families into this.

@AWD...I'm hurt. You left me off the list. I oppose Walker, so don't I deserve to be listed with Scott Ross, George Soros, and Lena Taylor? Remember I am self identified as a democratic socialist. I am looking at that fat wallet of yours and drooling.

@Lyle -

That's pretty good! Thanks for the laugh :-)

@Bucky -

Much like William Shatner's character of Captain James T. Kirk from the ever so popular Star Trek franchise, Hoffa doesn't believe in the 'no-win' scenario. There's always a way to win - you just have to find it! That’s the difference between liberals (eternal pessimists) and conservatives (eternal optimists)! Don’t worry, someday, even you’ll start to understand! :-)