Thanks Kim :)

@mau -

Thanks for keeping it civil, you do a service to our side (the pro-Walker crowd) by not digressing into personal insults and hate filled speech. Well done!

And thanks for providing the perspective from the pro-Walker side. It's very interesting to see the contrast and what a difference perspective can make at events such as these. I wonder if HRG had even ever considered what it would have been like if she had been a part of the other side. I'm sure that she probably wouldn't have had the take away that she did - that's for sure!

Keep up the good fight my friend - Go Walker Go!

I agree with you "mau". Go Scott Walker, GO!" And please, keep on going and get a job with the Koch brothers. He is rapidly destroying public education at a time when it needs more support than ever.

@Ron -

Congrats on being the first person to mention the Koch Bros on this board! For drinking the conspiracy theory Kool-Aid, you should win a prize!

How does a business-style lunch with David Koch sound?

People judge your intelligence, character, and personality by the words you choose to use. Their judgment may be inaccurate, but the impressions left by those judgments often persist long after evidence to the contrary has been presented.

I heard nothing of anyone attacking anyone with anything. Of course I wouldnt support throwing coffee on someone. Give me a break. And I dont believe that even happened. I did think it was funny that so many GOPers complain about people bring their kids to such events because out of the 20-30 Pro Walker people I saw, about a third were in strollers. And when you plan a protest during and at the same place as protest already in progress...well, it would seem you are expecting and perhaps even hoping for conflict. I know I personally would not put myself in that position. And definitely wouldn't bring my kids. But no, yelling obscenities would be wrong on either side - kids or no kids.

I think there's a difference between having a kid in a stroller attending a rally/protest and bringing older kids...

My complaint about kids at a protest has more to deal with the fact that the kids are usually used as political pawns. They are made to hold signs about issues they really don't understand or even care about aside from the propaganda that was fed to them by their parents...

@HRG -

My comment was merely referring to contrasting perspectives - nothing personal was intended and of course we all know that you would never sanction coffee throwing, vulgarities, etc.

It's just interesting the amount of contrast that perspective can provide on things like this - that's all. And I’m sure your or just about anyone (myself included) would have has a different take away if on the other side – it’s part of the nature of humanity, isn’t it?

And as far as counter-protesting goes - you know that the left typically does it even bigger than the right. Remember the recent Sarah Palin Tea Party rally at the Capitol? The counter-protestors (anti-Walker crowd) were claiming that they had a bigger turn out than the Tea Party to that event.

So, when you state "[a]nd when you plan a protest during and at the same place as protest already in progress...well, it would seem you are expecting and perhaps even hoping for conflict[,]" I hope you realize that neither side is holier than thou concerning such activity. If anything, it seems like the left always tries to make it a point to try and out-do or go bigger with the counter-protesting, so who's really looking for conflict on this one? Let’s be honest here!

I'll leave that one for your own thoughts!

Cheers!

Cowdung - I have actually never been super comfy with that either to be honest. I say let kids be kids while they can. But to be fair - kids in strollers aren't just babies. No one makes their kids walk anymore. I see some pretty old kids sitting in strollers and carts. What is up with that anyway? Kids can't friggin' walk these days?? Sorry. Off topic...

Of course it couldn't be true, and Robin Vos didn't get beer dumped on him.

With that mindset, why must the protesters always disrupt town hall meetings? Were the protesters there first and then they scheduled a town meeting? Is it possible they are looking for conflict or media attention?

@Heather, watch the video I just posted. Just prior to the Walker supporter talking about getting coffee thrown on him, the police took the guy away who threw the coffee. The police did not talk to the guy who got the coffee dumped on him, they just told him to keep going.

Well, Mr. Hoffa, a very sane and rather reasonable response. :-) I agree that all of our elected officials should not be celebrities. Please, though, don't put it on our current president. He didn't invent the inaugural ball nor even take it to a higher level. It is something that needs to go away, but not necessarily for the reasons you state. It's just one more way lobbyists control our government. THEY are the ones we need to get out of Washington (and Madison, Springfield, Lansing, Columbus, Indianapolis...) BTW - I heard an interview with Scooter on WUWM the other day. Even NPR has a balanced approached, or at least more balanced than Faux News.

Ron:

Are you really claiming that the man who gave his nomination acceptance speech in a football stadium complete with Greek columns that smacked of the excesses of Caligula didn't take things to a higher level?

You are very right about some things here. The whole rock star oooos and ahhhhs really are kinda gross. I never could stand the girls/women who scream and act crazy around celebrities. And there needs to be a shift in this country about whom we look up to and allow as role models. And while I did get a little excited...I certainly wasnt all nutty. I acted normal and didnt throw up or anything. I have social anxiety and get anxious talking to ANYone. So, when it is a "celebrity" of sorts - I suppose I just became more nervous. But I also dont think it is so abnormal to have a bit of excitement when you meet a prominent figure. Its really just a fun thing. Not a worship at the alter thing. Trust me, I feel that way about no one. Including Obama.

Yes, MSNBC is hard core liberal. Ain't no doubting there. But aside from that - news programming, local and national I find to be conservatively biased. I feel there is a lot that which is not reported because it doesn't suit the suits. Of course the pundits at the rally would be liberal. And while I dont follow like a solider everything they claim...I still respect them for what they do. I dont really see what is wrong with that. There are people "in real life" I feel that way about too.

@Ron -

What did you expect - it's Hoffa baby!

I'm going to disagree with you about Obama not having "take[n] it to a higher level[,]" as he most certainly did - as so eloquently noted by CowDung!

And the lobbyists can't vote on legislation - only the politicians can do that. Instead of going after the drug dealers, why can't we as the voters hold the politicians, the drug users, responsible? Wouldn't that be the better way to go about it? I just don't get blaming the lobbyists - it's like giving the politicians a free pass for being corrupt and allowing themselves to be bought off, isn't it? I like lobbyist because they bring perspective and information to the politicians that they may not have otherwise had thought of on their own. It's the politicians’ duty to fully analyze and research all claims and perspectives before making a decision on legislation, isn't it? And if they decide to make crooked or bad deals, it's their fault and we should hold them accountable, right? Isn’t that how the system was set up to work?

How about we start expecting what’s expected from our political leaders instead of giving them a free pass by buying into the whole 'let's point our finger at the lobbyists to take accountability and personal responsibility off our actions.' It's this kind of let's blame everyone else but ourselves mindset that created many of the problems we now face.

@Ron -

BTW - I know you know how to use proper capitalization, but your spelling could use some work - it's 'Fox News,' not "Faux News." :-)

@HRG -

I hear ya!

Are you kidding me? He was feeling the same way - probably even more so...

"Faux", it's bastardized French for "Fake". I spell very well, thank you :-)