There is one in Kenosha. We eat in Kenosha fairly often. However, this is not just for Racine people...people from CA, MT and CT have already joined. And regardless of the protest aspect, a push to support local businesses is never a bad thing.

that worked so well for Chick Fil-A. Love the left. Stick to the same play book whether it works or not.

I still find this protest disposable and counterintuitive,

There is no rationalization for trying to hurt a business that has local manager, franchisees and employees. Heather, thank you for underscoring the liberal mindset with this horribly-concocted idea. And now, your name is attached to it. Bravo

I meant, "despicable"

Gees, my ipad has a mind of it's own!

Why is Heather Rayne Geyer who is suppose to be non biased in her reporting help organize an obviously biased view point event? Does no one else see the conflict of interest here? Believe what you want to. I personally believe you are foolish and obviously don't own a business, but with that being said. Where have all the good journalists gone. What does this say about the state of our journalism today. Eat your pizza and then ask them for a job. Your journalistic integrity is obviously not important to you.

I believe that HRG is not a journalist, but rather a blogger. She writes opinion based articles on Patch and does not make any claim of political impartiality.

@Mr. Willing -

"Disposable" definitely applies to this idea, as in straight into the circular file :-)

@Michael -

Not to speak for HRG, but she tends to mostly be an Opinion writer for Patch, as that's what her 'Rayne's World' featured columns are categorized as.

While she also occasionally writes news reports for Patch, they tend to focus on human interest profiles and coverage of local events.

HRG is pretty good about differentiating her writing style, depending upon the hat that she's wearing, and her news based stories have always covered all sides to an issue in a fair and balanced manner.

So please, do us all a favor - drop the bull and focus on the issues raised here, and not on HRG personally.

Hoffa- Just another liberal case of biting the hand that feeds them.

The cost of healthcare for 20 million americans is free, so it can't get any better than that. just go to the hospital. Losers pay health care insurance profiteers and corrupt insurance companies. ACA isn't needed. ACA was designed by fifth column tea bag republicans and shoved down the countries throat, rubber stamped by the puppet monarchists in the Supreme Court, to force good citizens to *pay* corrupt big business for 'insurance' citizens don't need.

So I'm boycotting Papa Johns.

But the ACA was Obamas doing, that's kinda why they call it Obamacare!

@Adelina Tome -

WOW - that logic doesn't follow at all.

@HRG -

The Kenosha store that you reference is actually locally owned by an individual franchisee - Hoffa personally knows the owner. This tactic, if successful, will do far more harm to him and his family, than it will to Papa John's corporate.

Is that your goal/intent?

I'm driving to Kenosha to support this business!
PAPA JOHN'S APPRECIATION DAY !
Celebrate business and entrepreneurship by supporting this company today, on the 16th and all through the weekend! Celebrate one of the things that makes America great, and reject that which makes it less-so!

https://www.facebook.com/events/166991153444752/

Oh, and heather, in the restaurant business, most survive on a 7-10% (or less) profit margin.

Your one-day protest, if followed universally, would hit them precisely 3.8% of their profit. That's right.... Because your "billions in profits is actually only millions in profits, that take all 365 days of the year to make. Actually, even less if you count holidays.

Suppose $1 bil in rev over 365 days. That's $2.7 mil per day. If the profit margin is 7% (for some franchisees, that's generous), that is $70 million. Taking one of those days away entirely would harm the ability to make a razor-thin profit. You're not just robbing them of the ability to "make a profit on the backs of exploited workers" (melodramatic, anyone?) but also their bottom-line. (Employee wages and benefits)

Factor in the ill-will of contradictory, hateful behaviors like this.... You have sent more than a message, you've harmed an American success story. For what? To protest reality in the face of your unrealistic, and unconstitutional Obamacare regulation.

You think one day of no business doesn't hurt anyone. Let's get a 1-2 days of your wages and see how that affects you. I guess you make a ton of money to not miss it. You are completely focused on the owner of the business without a care of how it affects the workers to lose one day of income due to lack of business that YOU caused. I guess you did your little progressive duty by focusing on the owners who have been deemed the boogyman by Obmaa. When the real one that suffers is the worker when business is destroyed by Obama and his Obamacare.

As a franchisee (not of a Papa John's, but of a different global food chain), Hoffa can tell you this from personal knowledge and experience. Sales at any given local store tend to range between $500 - $1,500 per day. After paying the monthly overhead, labor, food costs (including spoilage), franchise fee, corporate's take of the gross profits, your contribution to the corporate/national advertising fund, local advertising and promotion, giveaways, charitable contributions, association dues, taxes, etc the typical net profit margin for a local owner/operator of an individual store is LUCKY if it's 7% of revenue. Typically, it's somewhere between 4.5%-6.5%, depending upon how well the store is managed and the extent of the local tax burden.

As Hoffa previously stated, these kinds of boycotts/messages do far more harm to the local individual franchisee than they do to corporate. A day of operating at a loss instead of a miniscule profit could mean that the local owner has to take out a high interest loan to just meet payroll and other other expenses for the month. The interest paid on that loan is money that comes directly out of the individual local owner's pocket, thus hurting and impacting his family the most.

That also translates into less money being reinvested back into the local community, as that owner and his family now have less money to spend patronizing other local businesses.

But HRG has already said that she doesn't care about the local owner and their family, as she considers them to be "casualties for the greater good." Hoffa wonders if HRG would feel differently it were her and her family that were being directly impacted in such a negative way.

AMEN

Thank you Jacob, short and to the point...

And, jobless....

oh forbes is a balanced source.

More balanced than you.

@Adelina Tome -

The article itself cites to Forbes - what's your point?

Hoffa recalls Obama debating Hillary Clinton during the 2008 Democratic primary, and during those debates, he promised that his health care bill wouldn't have any mandates - remember?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/06/how-obama-broke-his-promise-on-individual-mandates/259183/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/guest-voices/post/hhs-mandate-president-obamas-broken-promise/2012/08/02/gJQAyoNrSX_blog.html

Obamacare is not only a giant mandate, but the taxes in it directly impact middle class Americans the hardest - constituting yet another broken Obama promise.

While you're certainly entitled to your own opinion, you're not entitled to your own facts.

Oh, but Mau, according to HRG, it's " just a message."

Read: just a TAD BIT of harm to their pocket book, employees, payroll, razor-thin profit margin and ability to grow.... To make US feel better!

people aren't going to stop buying pizza because Papa Johns is out of business. That's nuts. They'll buy locally from good pizza places that don't have to send most of their profits to big Papa John so he can buy a 6th home.

1. No, it's not ridiculous. What a strange, baseless rebuttal. The boycott itself is ridiculous because it doesn't accomplish your mission and harms local purveyors, managers and employees.

2. Trying to throw out a feel-good disclaimer that you are against boycotts in general makes your argument even weaker. Between the PR the bad feelings and the actual loss of business this is not just sending a message. And the only reason it can be sending a message is because it harms the bottom-line of a company's budget. So Heather either you are for boycotts, or you are not. This is neither an extreme case nor a loud one.

3. Most PJ's are local businesses. Period. End of story. You're trying to send a "message" to a man far away by harming a local business.... Oh, but " just a tad..."

4. You should never have anything against corporations that make billions in profits. By the way Papa John's doesn't make billions in profits. That is a lie. And your propagation of this false idea that companies that are large and make any kind of profits are exploiting workers has done more damage to the American character and spirit of innovation and appreciation/motivation for success than anything else. Your entire philosophy doesn't encourage people to share... It encourages people to steal to give to others. ACA, or any other program... and now this. Like a nasty rotting cherry on your cake.

5. Using this tactic has indeed harmed companies in the past. And it is wrong. I'm not going out and boycotting every liberal company out there, though there are many. You are harming local business, and ought to be ashamed.

Oh, and.....
PAPA JOHN'S APPRECIATION DAY !
Celebrate business and entrepreneurship by supporting this company today, on the 16th and all through the weekend! Celebrate one of the things that makes America great, and reject that which makes it less-so!

https://www.facebook.com/events/166991153444752/

When a billion dollar corporation like Papa Johns decides to take a political stand and use the money it makes from my patronage, I decide if I am with them or not.

The stupidity of any big business is to announce *any* political stand. I bought pizza at Papa Johns before. But no more. They've only lost 1 customer. Do you suppose I want to go to a Papa Johns and be surrounded by Obama haters? nah. I'll go someplace neutral to buy my food.

Adelina, I hope you are honest an consistant and therefore never buy a union made product again. Unions are Big Business and they sure are involve in politics and are far from neutral.

@Adelina Tome -

Curious - what kind of car do you own/drive?

So then, if this effort fails to effect any change in Papa John's corporate culture, you'll just let it die and never target them again? Sorry, but Hoffa just isn't buying that! You know as well as Hoffa does that the hardcore leftists/liberals/anti-corporatists will continue the boycott indefinitely. And in all honesty, only those who fall within the description of being hardcore activists even find this idea attractive or worthy of undertaking.

If you're convinced that the supporters will make up for your attempted boycott/message, then is there really a message being made? And what if it back fires, such as the situation with Chick-fil-A appreciation day vs. the 'kiss-in?'

Don't you think there are better ways to go about effectuating change?

Personally, Hoffa doesn't get how the leftist/liberal/Democratic activists can tolerate having people within their ranks that own/drive non-union assembled and/or foreign branded vehicles. Or any Apple product newer than the original Macintosh Personal Computer. Honestly, shouldn't you guys be focusing on getting your own house in order first and foremost before you start attacking 100% domestic American businesses such as Papa John's?!?!

What scares Hoffa the most about your comment is wherein you stated "...but there often needs to be some casualties for the greater good." So in others words, you wouldn't mind bankrupting a few hard working American families to accomplish your ultimate agenda - WOW!!! Think about this...

PAPA JOHN'S APPRECIATION DAY !
Celebrate business and entrepreneurship by supporting this company today, on the 16th and all through the weekend! Celebrate one of the things that makes America great, and reject that which makes it less-so!

https://www.facebook.com/events/166991153444752/

Isn't boycotting Papa Johns, to support the employees a lot like burning the village to save it? Really HRG, your lack of logic is stunning! Perhaps some day you will grow up to the extent to understand that business can't just swallow unfunded mandates without having to make hard real-world decisions on how that expense gets paid. Papa can't just print money like your average American President.

In a market as competitive as delivered pizza, they can't just raise their price, in a down market, lest they get killed by their competitors. They evaluate their labor, benefits and cost of goods. Your next pizza is likely gonna be smaller, and delivered later, by someone making less, without any benefits. Another victory for ObamaCare. You just kill me. Thanks for the laugh, but I'm trying not to cry.

Mix politics with business and you lost 50% of your supporters. peeing on food is what folks are doing at Chick Filet because its not Chick Filet any more, its Chick Filet and Gay Hate Club.

PAPA JOHN'S APPRECIATION DAY !
Celebrate business and entrepreneurship by supporting this company today, on the 16th and all through the weekend! Celebrate one of the things that makes America great, and reject that which makes it less-so!

https://www.facebook.com/events/166991153444752/

Stomy Weather, you mean the loss of a MacDonald of Pizza is really going to mean people aren't going out for dinner any mo?

This is true Eric, My mother has worked in the nonprofit fundraising world for about 13 years. They literally run on such a tight shoestring budget that even a 1% difference off of the bottom-line either carves into the services provided or into the employee's wages. Nearly all of the estimates that show 1% or less are assuming that employers keep their coverage. These are false and I believe a lying propaganda campaign.

The law in the industry is structured in a way that will drive employers to pay the fine rather than provide the insurance. This is where the 7 to 10% estimates are coming from, Because it will save what would amount to even more of an expense for business with "full time" employees. (Note that the federal go Ernest is now determining that full-time must necessarily be defined as 30 hours)

"Undercover St. Louis County police to deliver pizzas in wake of driver killings

Johnson was the second Imo’s pizza delivery driver slain in St. Louis County in six months. Imo’s driver Daniil Maksimenko, 22, was shot May 20 while delivering a pizza in Hillsdale, about five miles south of where Johnson was killed."

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-county-police-to-deliver-pizzas-in-wake-of/article_87476220-420f-5d6b-a91f-920cbe36aa84.html

10 most dangerous jobs in America
Below, America's top 10 most dangerous jobs, according to the U.S. Department of Labor statistics:
1. Timber cutters.
2. Fishers.
3. Pilots and navigators.
4. Structural metal workers (e.g. bridge builders).
5. Driver-sales workers (e.g. pizza delivery drivers).
6. Roofers.
7. Electrical power installers.
8. Farm occupations.
9. Construction laborers.
10. Truck drivers

PAPA JOHN'S APPRECIATION DAY !
Celebrate business and entrepreneurship by supporting this company today, on the 16th and all through the weekend! Celebrate one of the things that makes America great, and reject that which makes it less-so!

https://www.facebook.com/events/166991153444752/

Celebrate a local business today, screw corporate greed and draining the life blood from communities by pawning off synthetic factory pizza as food. Enjoy a healthy local meal out. It sure isn't cheap for franchisees.

Boss, the Patch hasn't taken a hard-left turn. This is a balanced article. Just because you retain some information they may not have seen, doesn't mean they're biased. This is the most aggressively unbiased news source I have found in the area, and Heather is merely reporting on a local event and the reasons why.

What sites they like, what organizations they belong to, the color of their hair or their gum-chewing preferences matter not.

I'll stick up for the Patch pretty much any day. Because with RARE exception, you'll never see the personal preferences of the local editors. And out of our local editors, I think you'd be surprised to find out how some of them vote. Just sayin....

Hoffa seconds Mr. Willing's comment!

Wow, your bigotry is on full display. Go on, embarrass yourself with your hatred and disdain for good people.

What's next? Well: riding a segway all over the capitol bothering the workers. Ringing cowbells. Blowing horns. Banging drums. Usting the lawns & capitol as an outhouse. Scribbling graffitti on the walls. Making fraudulant sick notes. beating up sign owners, trading votes for chicken dinners or smokes....etc... goes on and on... oh yeah thats the LEFTIES and you have the nerve to fuss about the right.

i understand you can get complete Holy Dispensation with your Big Meal Deal, at Papa John's - bleed the small businessman - company. :) ha ha ha.. funny that.

Its not about Papa Johns, its about corporate greed, corruption, crappy food, and the notion that Corporations can jack prices to the point where they have a few billion to influence politics, then shove that up the noses of their patrons, like it or don't.

Exercise your freedom of choice every day. Buy locally made. Keep the money in the local economy, don't send it to political campaigns designed as if they are pizza shops.

Sure! I will with hold my patronage from ANY business I learn about that uses its profits to finance regressive political agendas. That is the most effective protest. For example I don't buy gas at Kwik Tripp because they are in cahoots with scott walker and his band of ALEC subversives. I encourage everyone to learn as much as possible about the places that they patronize.

ANd how exactly are they "using it's profits to finance regressive political agendas?"

Huh? Back it up. How much money, if any is financing it? And back up your claim that Kwik Trip is "in cahoots?" How much of Kwik Trip's billion dollar revenue is going to that? How much of the employees' wages are financing something you don't agree with?

Comon, pony up. You're hateful, and your words are showing your destructive behavior.

who cares?

Our American Revolution was launched with the help of a boycott of British goods.Led by vocal orators such as James Otis and Patrick Henry the colonists began a massive boycott of British goods causing colonial imports to fall from £2,250,000 in 1764, to £1,944,000 in 1765.

Ever notice how none of what you say has anything to do with policies.. Papa John's policy should be to make pizza, not try to influence politics or health care by making it an issue at their stores. Papa Johns has brought the policy of corporate money, made from retail businesses - lots of them - into government policy making.

and of course, they aren't taking the majority view either. It means Papa Johns is making a major business mistake, and setting a template for business behavior - taking money from patrons, and using it and their visibility and former good-will, to personal purpose - John's ..

And just as a mature note.. "For all you religious zealots, psycho, extreme, bigoted, immature, glue sniffers." Edward.. just kidding.

@Adelina Tome -

Papa John's is a business. If their costs increase, they have to decide how to deal with it, because if they don't, they're out of business - especially in such a highly competitive field as the pizza industry is.

FYI - most businesses pass additional costs on to their customers in the form of increased prices for goods or services tendered. This same rule applies for any local business that wants to survive.

Papa John's isn't being political - you have chosen to perceive it that way because of how they have chosen to deal with the increased costs; ie. to limit employee hours and increase the cost of their product.

Obamacare is not free - people actually have to pay for it. And both the CBO and OMB have continuously revised the costs of Obamacare upwards ever since it was passed into law. Remember how the CBO and OMB grossly underestimated the costs of Medicare Part D? If the true costs of Obamacare follow suit, we'll be looking at more than 3 times the current projected costs for the program.

And as Hoffa stated before - it's not free. We'll all end up paying for it with fewer jobs, less hours, lower wages, higher taxes, and a higher cost of living.

And we'll have you and all the other Obama supporters to thank for it!

No heather, it's not. Just like calling you a Racine Co. native isn't name-calling.

I'm describing a terrible trait and behavior. That you'd call is "vitriol" and "venom" "Bashing" or "sand-throwing" shows your irony more than anything else.

Seriously, act mature here. You're not making any sense.

hmm the words intelligent and liberal just dont go together..... How selfish of the lefties to protest a business just because they dont like what Obamacare has forced a business owner to do to keep from going under. Maybe these protesters should be protesting the real culpirt here = Obamacare. I never go to PapaJohns but now I might join a counter protest and become their customer just to support their right to make sensible decisions to keep their business running.

Edward, don't you have a *job*?

@HRG -

Have you ever seen anyone allowed to take a conservative stance over on the Daily Kos or Huffington Post comment boards and not be totally eviscerated by insults from liberals/progressives?

To claim that liberals/progressives are more civil in their public forum comments than conservatives is highly disingenuous! There are just as many crude people on both sides of the political aisle.

Yes you're hateful because you attack local businesses with real peopleworking there, because of the personal behavior, political preferences of individuals at the companies.

Kwik Trip didn't get "in cahoots" with a Governor a majority of the state elected, twice. Individuals did. You're treating their employees with un-deserved contempt.

BTW, I use a web browser. You don't use the potential for common sense you were born with

You do understand that the other option, to the regressive political agenda, was to lay off thousands of Government sector employees? Why on earth would you dislike a business just for supporting a probusiness Governor? Not that they care.

LMB52, You may not want to go to Citgo stations as they return some profits to Venezuela.

Heather,
I don't have a problem with buying Citgo gasoline. Venezuela is a very nice place with a lot of great people. There is a crisis of corruption right here in Wisconsin. A ruling party that takes bribes from a secretive business cabal has been co-opted and checks with ALEC before listening to the people of our state. Make no mistake there is a cancer in our state government and it will take a long time to cure now that it has metastasized with a gerrymandered map that allowed their candidates to take office even though there were almost 200,000 votes more for their opponents. Sometimes it is matter of choosing the lesser evil and keeping the focus local as much as possible.
Courage, keep up the good fight!

LMB52, Citgo is owned by the government of Venezuela that supports political agendas that are harmful to their own citizens and the USA. I agree with the gerrymandered election map - there needs to be something changed to not allow politicians on both sides from setting up ridiculous boundaries that favor their party or the other.

Thank you, Samantha. Good words

If you want to know what will happen, just look at Greece. Riots.

Excellent words. Now, go unto the world and buy something made in your community by folks in your community so your dollars stay in your community. Giving your money to Papa John in Connecticut isn't keeping money in the community. Employees of the franchise will find more work locally, if you keep more money locally. Edward will have to admit his investments in Papa Johns aren't looking too good these days.

I work at a locally owned business and I'm all about shopping locally but some franchises are also locally owned so I support them too. And where are these employees and owners going to find these locally jobs when theres not many out there? So we are suppose to be ok if a franchise goes down because all those people working there can always find a local job? Your logic is not very well planned out

Greg, healthcare is free. I don't know why Papa John is making it an issue. Well, he's nobody's Daddy. ACA is a just a way to get more people to pay corrupt big insurance businesses, hacked together by tea-baggers in Congress working for the Kock brothers. But if you like wasting your money on making sure Romney kids get a couple more thoroughbred poines, well, thats up to you. He did after all put several businesses out of business after extracting millions in 'consulting commissions' from them, and you know, you hardly ever read about that.

This has nothing to do with Romney, that election was a few weeks ago.

If you think healthcare is free, for working people, you are WAY off. Obama is making workers buy insurance or pay a fine. The less people that buy insurance the bigger the fine will be. Ponies for the Romney kids would have been a great option.

@Adelina Tome -

There's that crazy incoherent logic again!

Does LMB52 carry along non-Koch made toilet paper everywhere he/she goes?

The haters will always need someone to hate.

@Adelina Tome -

So then, by your commenting here, we can all safely assume that you have no job and live off the system, correct? Or does that logic only apply to "right wing fifth column members," (whatever that's supposed to mean) and not liberal progressives such as yourself?

"weenies" - how mature of you.

As far as Pizza goes, and so long as the ingredients are all sourced from the USA, Hoffa will continue to buy that which tastes best to him, judging the product wholly on its own merit, as opposed to other factors, thank you very much.

these kinds of boycotts/messages do far more harm to the local individual franchisee than they do to corporate. A day of operating at a loss instead of a miniscule profit could mean that the local owner has to take out a high interest loan to just meet payroll and other other expenses for the month. The interest paid on that loan is money that comes directly out of the individual local owner's pocket, thus hurting and impacting his family the most.

That also translates into less money being reinvested back into the local community, as that owner and his family now have less money to spend patronizing other local businesses.

But hey - who cares about that local entrepreneur, their employees, and their family - right? After all, they're just "casualties for the greater good," right? Just as long as it isn't you that's being directly effected, right? Isn't that selfish?

BTW - What kind of car do you own/drive?

Hoffa, I may have to disagree. This may be the type of advertising that money just can't buy. I have yet to see these boycotts work, after all lefties don't spend money. Remember the would not even fund a candidate for the Governor's recall.

Greg, I wasn't going to have pizza and didn't, either.

With regard to comparisons to small business, I’m with you in that such small businesses should be supported. However, each Papa John’s franchisee-owned restaurant essentially IS a small business, with the franchisee likely having invested tens of thousands of dollars in up-front costs just to open. Typically, the up-front cost is borrowed and paid every month, not unlike a mortgage loan. Additional costs to thereafter run the restaurant typically include employee wages, utilities, and the purchase of goods, just to name a few. So yes, one day of bad sales to this small business owner can affect his or her bottom line.

In short, your intentions are good, but likely misguided.

AT&T CEO has not made public announcements disparaging ACA and straight up threatening employees. If they did, I would not blame people for protesting, whether my husband works for them or not. Being the President of his local, he would be sympathetic to the cause. Being active in the union, he could be easily targeted anyway. But you make that choice - the threat of sacrifice - when you decide if you are going to be the kind of person to speak up or hide in the corner.

AT&T is not on my happy company list, that is for sure. There is no denying that. But they do treat their employees well and pay them a living wage (Papa John's does not). At least they do as long as the CWA is there - so I am grateful to both for that.

Fair enough, HRG.

Although I do not always agree with your point of view, I nonetheless do appreciate your contributions to Patch, as well as your passion in expressing your opinions.

I'm going to do my best to make it to the Patch meet-up on Saturday. I would thus be honored to buy you and/or your husband a drink if either or both of you show up as well.

That is very cool of you, man. Thanks! I may just take you up on that if I get enough courage to show up!! :)

My pleasure.

BTW, no courage needed. Trust me, it's a very laid-back affair. Music, drinks and company. It's all good.

What if the republicans just want to get me drunk so they can beat me up in the parking lot?? I skeeered, Denise! Its intimidating being the only lib in a room ;)

Dan Bell was at the last Patch Mosquito social. They carried him out on a stretcher. Just kidding! He survived.

It's mixed crowd. Talk of politics, IF ANY, is likely on the back burner....spent more time during the last outing talking about music.

Would love to talk "American Horror" w/ Heather A. and anyone else who watches.

P.S. Where is Dan Bell? No Blogs from him in a while......

Don't worry HRG - Hoffa would protect you from any rowdy customers if he was there. While Hoffa can't make this meet up, he's looking forward to one around Christmas/New Years and I'd love to be able to at least shake your hand, if not engage in a little discussion, as Hoffa does respect you.

I do watch AHS and it is FREAKING ME OUT this season. I do not creep out that easily but this whole asylum thing is sure doin' it. I need like a 2 hour comedic buffer before going to sleep after. Thank God for those King of Queens re-runs...

Brian and Eddie?? I wouldn't go THAT far. LOL. I kid.

I do not worry about ME getting along with someone from here in the real world...remember, my parents are Tea Partiers (shudder). I just worry about BEING hated...and like getting things thrown at my forehead.

I do agree that meeting IRL would be a benefit. However, I am much stupider in person. I need the written word to communicate. Otherwise I sit there like a mouth breather just drooling and making random noises. Add alcohol and I will probably walk away with less respect than I started with :)

Yea, stop smoking crack Denise. Its bad for your teeth. :)