Michael McClusky - I think you are wasting your vote. But whatever makes you happy.

@Annie Nominous Some polls have Johnson having up to 5% of the vote in some states. In a close election this can be a crucial factor. There is dissatisfaction out there with both candidates. Both the major parties are financed by 'dark money', so we really don't know what their true agendas are.

Being the deep thinker that you are, Lyle, even you would have to concede the 10%'s lot in life hasn't improved the last 4 years, unless you figure more folks on food stamps is an improvement, thanks to liberalized and expanded programs.

Being they possibly are not deep thinkers, they probably haven't considered their taxes go up big time Jan 1, adding insult to injury. Still, they can all see to the bottom of their wallets. I'm guessing that's a pretty good trigger.

@GearHead...You're right about the "doomsday" scenario pending on 01/01/2013. Congress hasn't done their job for nearly four years and the day of reckoning is looming. In my opinion, congressional races are actually more important than the presidential race.

Seriously doubt republicans will focus on issues. They are infamous for red herring tactics. Birth Certificate, Education, Associates and so on just blah, blah and a small sprinkling of an issue. Now This “VIDEO”! Just before the debate?? Have already viewed it. Found nothing of racial slurring. Obama illuminates that our nation still has a racial problem. Problems that need to be addressed that republicans are always denying and sweeping it under the rug.
Only a racist would take offense to Obama’s comments on the racial problems that infect our nation.
My military tour, back in 68 to 72, exposed me to the deep south blind hatred and closed minded ignorance of some of the “White” race. Sure was glad I wasn’t black but many a time I wished I wasn’t white. Nam exposed the divisions even further. To this day I can still smell the foul fragrance of racial division emanating from republicans.

Colorblindness is illuminated by republicans with their actions. Republicans prejudice of the 1% for the 1% by the 1% illuminates their green greed biases. Similar to the civil rights movement that LBJ supported Knowing full well that this would cost him the southern blue democrat vote. After the civil rights bill passage blue democrat southernism turned red with republican rage. Today we see it in the southernism of the republicans’. Here is one of many example of their bias’s for their greedy green and cultural divisionary tactics.

Here is but one small example of the republicans forces to increase inequality to our Nation. Fragrance most FOUL they be.

Editorial New York Times.
Voter Harassment, Circa 2012
Published: September 21, 2012
This is how voter intimidation worked in 1966: White teenagers in Americus, Ga., harassed black citizens in line to vote, and the police refused to intervene. Black plantation workers in Mississippi had to vote in plantation stores, overseen by their bosses. Black voters in Choctaw County, Ala., had to hand their ballots directly to white election officials for inspection.

You might ask how does it apply today? Think we have risen above it? As long as your not aware of it, then thats OK. ?? With what color should we paint such a one?//

This is how it works today: In an ostensible hunt for voter fraud, a Tea Party group, True the Vote, descends on a largely minority precinct and combs the registration records for the slightest misspelling or address error. It uses this information to challenge voters at the polls, and though almost every challenge is baseless, the arguments and delays frustrate those in line and reduce turnout.
The thing that’s different from the days of overt discrimination is the phony pretext of combating voter fraud. Voter identity fraud is all but nonexistent, but the assertion that it might exist is used as an excuse to reduce the political rights of minorities, the poor, students, older Americans and other groups that tend to vote Democratic.
In The Times on Monday, Stephanie Saul described how the plan works. True the Vote grew out of a Tea Party group in Texas, the King Street Patriots, with the assistance of Americans for Prosperity, a group founded by the Koch brothers that works to elect conservative Republicans. It has developed its own software to check voter registration lists against driver’s license and property records. Those kinds of database matches are notoriously unreliable because names and addresses are often slightly different in various databases, but the group uses this technique to challenge more voters.
One small example of where that odor is coming from.

Bernard, It's nice that you bring up things that happened before I was born. How about the Black Panthers intimidating voters in the last election? Republicans were the leaders of establishing racial integration in both the nations capitol and state capitols around the country. You might want to check out some history articles online. By the way some of the biggest republicans are black; Herman Cain, Alan Keyes, Mia Love and the list goes on and on. Your racist propoganda may work for a few but it will also turn away many who can see through your weak arguments as the angry rants of blowhard.

You bring up a news story from 1966 to illustrate how Republican supposedly act? Perhaps you should fast forward to 2008 and think about the New Black Panthers intimidating voters outside of polling places in Philly. A fragrance most foul, indeed...

Chadwick, Cow, I believe Bernard's description was an exemplar in describing earlier voter intimidation tactics. The New Black Panther issue was an isolated incident in Philadelphia in 2008. Two members of the NBP stood outside a polling place on election day wearing military-type gear, "captured on video and accused of trying to discourage some people from voting. One carried a nightstick." A lawsuit was filed against the two individuals and NBP. The DOJ couldn't find enough evidence against anyone except the nightstick carrier. (Article link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/14/AR2010071405880.html). There were individuals who have tried to blow the unfortunate incident out of proportion.

My question is, what purpose does an apathetic or intimidated voter serve?

Bernard - There is a indeed growing trend of Tea Party types monitoring polls and yelling at voters and election workers when they suspect anything. They do select a poor minority polling place, swoop in and break the rules for monitoring and file claims that do not stand up to later investigation. The idea is apparently to intimidate minority voters and keep them away from the polls. Racine has recently had some an example of this, an expensive investigation was held, and the biggest conclusion by the investigator was that the "monitors" behaved improperly. Yes, just like living in the South years ago.

@Jay Sykes...On the money!

AWD -

Funny you should say all that... especially when all of America feels the same way about you...

Z-Z-Z-Z-Z-Z-Z-Z-Z-Z.....................you can turn off the teleprompter now, Carol.

Two wars. really? You are farther out of touch than they are. I seem to remember a campaign promise to end the war in his first 100 days.
The economy took a dump before the great one was elected, so you progressives all blame Bush. Where do you think the jobs went? What President gave China Most Favored Nation status? THAT is why the jobs left. It is hard for american manufacturing to compete when a living wage of $20 hour is compared to a bowl of rice per day in China.
Clinton also gave us jumbo loans, which was the straw that broke the camel's back in the mortgage crisis. He just can't stop scewing us, and proves it yet again when he urges people to vote for Oblabla.

Carol, thanks for the good laugh. What's our deficit? What's the unemployment percentage? How many people are on disability? What's the median income compared to four years ago? Why hasn't the Senate passed a budget in years? What about gas prices, food prices etc.

@Craig -

Nicely said - Clinton created and caused most of the mess.

For the life of him, Hoffa can't understand why Americans holds Clinton in such high regards - it's ignorance, there's no other logical answer!

Carol@ When Scott Walker took over for Jim "bingo" Doyle, he also inherited a gigantic mess, however you liberals did not even give him a full year in office before you started asking " where's the jobs you promised?". This began before he had even served one full year. Now after four years under Obama's rule, you are still claiming its Bush's fault. Will you allow Walker to use the same excuse in four years? Hipocrit!!!!!

Ben Hogan -

You are equating the STATE OF WISCONSIN and its puny problems, with the entire UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and its massive structural problems?

Not only is this a major "false-equivalency" but a complete breakdown in anything even approaching logic.

However, as most of the world has learned, the GOP only has MAGICAL THINKING...

I'd never trust your golf score!

Wilson: What's your point? Wisconsin didn't have a big mess from the Doyle admin?
It is fixed now...
The same can be said about the US problems- it can be fixed, but not the way BO has been going about things.

Craig -

My points are:

1) You lack the intellectual capacity to be on a blog, any blog.

2) You believe that Wisconsin's problems are all solved because Walker got federal monies, under false pretenses, put teachers out of a job, fired public workers, took away Collective Bargaining, and bulldozed money from one section of the budget to another and then another; then, MAGICALLY proclaimed that we have a SURPLUS! We don’t…

3) Equating the problems that the USA has with the miniscule issues that Walker faces in Wisconsin is like comparing water to 180 proof Irish whiskey!

Wilson: I would normally accuse you of abusing that Irish Wiskey, but it is obvious you are not nearly enough man to drink anything remotely close to that. You are more of a wine cooler type for sure. The only point you made Wilson, is at the top of your head.
Wisconsin had a financial mess, so does the Nation. Your refusal to accept that the problem can be fixed is typical of a complete dumbass like yourself. You are a couple pounds short of air pressure, which stands to reason considering all the hot air you blow. I suspect you blow more than just hot air.

Buy Hey Wilson, I refuse to get into a battle of witts with an unarmed man.

Another one who drank the koolaid

Bazinga! Wilson's feeling a little deflated.
(rimshot)

Tom Hanks' Voice, "Wilson? Wilson come back! I'm sorry Wilson."

Scott C:I think that Kool Aid was drugged, Wilson is MIA. I am really worried he did something to himself after that debate.

Wilson? Wiiillllllsssssoooooonnnnnnnnn?
LMAO- must have tried that Irish wiskey and died.
Hope they don't opt for creamation, the fire will last for weeks.

Poor Wilson. Ole John Boy Wilson, may he rest in peace.

"If the government is big enough to give you everything you want, it is big enough to take away everything you have."

--Gerald Ford

Since most Americans work in the private sector, the decline in their median income is not necessarily due to the White House. Try calling up their employers, who have been putting the screws to their staffs ever since unemployment went up. Oh yes, record profits, too.

Michael, unfortunately the government influences way more than they should in regards to the economy.

1) When corporate taxes go up (or taxes on the job creators), there is that much more money that can't be used to create jobs, give raises, or create a better work environment.

2) When new mandates (Barack Hussein Obamacare) force more costs onto businesses, there is that much more money that can't be used to create jobs, give raises, or create a better work environment.

3) When money is devalued, and it cost more for goods and services coming from overseas, there is that much more money that can't be used to create jobs, give raises, or create a better work environment.

4) When policies influence the cost of doing business (ie. less domestic drilling), there is that much more money that can't be used to create jobs, give raises, or create a better work environment.

When future profits are questionable, companies are hesitant to hire more employee's even if they have more work. It cost alot to hire and train a new employee, but it takes even more to lay them off and pay unemployment.

@The Anti-Alinsky There are factors that have nothing to do with government. In 1991 companies began to give raises to their employees that was always below the annual inflation rate. Over the years this caught up to the employees, who then began to spend more than they were making. This could not last forever. In 2008 unemployment dramatically went up. Companies saw this as an opportunity to put their employees against the ropes. Demand fell due to lower earnings by the employees. The economy will not improve as long as the employees are not making any money. Companies will not give good raises as long as there is high unemployment. Add the wacko inflation poliicy of the Fed, then you can see things will only get worse. US Corporations are currently sitting on 1.8 trillion dollars in cash. They feel that they deserve huge tax cuts. Go figure!

Michael, you are blind if don't see how taking money from corporations doesn't affect the economy. I worked with my boss on their Barack Hussein Obamacare analysis. Guess what? It will cost his small company $100,000 over the next couple of years. Guess what else? It means The Anti-Alinksy WON'T be getting a raise for a while.

Do you really think that US Corporations are "sitting" on 1.8 Trillion? They would be losing money just on inflation alone. They have it in easy to redeem bills, bonds and other securities so they can pay their bills when they come due. Unlike most of the Liberals posting on this site, they don't operate paycheck to paycheck. They plan for their expenses.

By the way, overall compensation has outpaced inflation, but most of that has been eaten up by the rising cost of health care, which, by the way, Barack Hussein Obamacare did NOTHING to fix!

@The Anti-Alinsky I think that you are aware that US Corporations are currently more profitable than at any other time in history. I am not suggesting tax increases- just leave the rates where they are at. Their profits will decline, especially after they realize that their customers have no money. The I got mine- the hell with everyone else attitude is the root cause of this situation. Did you know that whenever a company announces layoffs that investors come running to buy their stock? This has been going on for atleast 2 years.

@Michael McClusky wrote: "...Their profits will decline, especially after they realize that their customers have no money..."

Most business operators are smart enough to realize they rely on the consumer and employee to make their company a profit. The few that don't close shop after a few years which makes room in the economy for others that do.

And it is still up to the government to do as much as possible to stay out of the way by keeping EVERYONE'S taxes low, implementing only minimal mandates, create a positive business environment, and promote policies that lower the cost of doing business in this country.

@The Anti-Alinsky The median household income of the American people has dropped over 4,000$ in the last 3 years. It has been duly noted that American Corporations took advantage of a bad situation regardless of the consequences. I know of people who lost their jobs simply because their employer wanted cheaper labor. Economists openly say that employers could care less about their employees' 'real income." Real income refers to the actual spending power that is derived from someone's paycheck. This short-sightedness is leading us towards being a third world country.

@Ben Hogan It has been widely reported that US Corporations are sitting on over 1.8 trillion dollars in cash. The Wall Street Journal, of all publications, has conceded that many companies took advantage of the situation and unnecessarily took it to their employees. The Washington Post has called the business climate 'predatory' and 'exploitive' when it comes to labor of any kind. The CEO of Sony Corporation has said that the world is fully aware of how badly US Corporations treat their employees. Need I say more?

Mary Ann: Do you try to be stupid or does it just come natural to you? I imagine you have all the excuses in the world. We should not expect much because you were stuck on an island with Gilligan, and probable called Ginger while you were giving the professor some trim. This would explain why you hae all men.
I guess we should consider that you were born to remain a single digit (IQ) forever.
You want to know where the jobs are? Ask Clinton (hint: China, MFN status)
You want to know why the mortgage crisis happened? Ask Clinton(hint:Jumbo Loan)
You want to understand Wall Street's crash? (hint CMO's)

►Romney for the rich and corporations and CEOs. Amen!!!◄

Confirmation of a low informed voter

At least you admit the liberal sources of information you buy into. Now enjoy the debate Romney is showing you what a qualified person looks like. Rich private jets rich evil profits rich.

Bernie replies to Michael part II
2] Corporate tax goes up does'nt effect business as it is immediately charged to consumer. Think of it as an indirect tax. Tax collected goes to coffers. Notice this tax hits those who require specific items. Thus corporate tax can be used to leverage a particular segment of the society to be taxed. Ex. Private Jets and Carrots and everything in between. Better working environment is motivated by government. Corporations find little profit in benefits for their laborers’.
3] Currency devalued increase cost to imports. Exports increase for sale of products and raw materials. It is not so much as imports that create jobs as it is Exports demanding restocking of products. 4] {Less drilling?} Production is reduced! Conversion to new energy source creates jobs. Production increases. With technology advances require a more sophisticated laborer that our education system is not aligned to sufficiently enough. Lack of hiring is due to the reduction of need of laborers’ as technology increases. Fewer workers required. Rebuilding our infrastructures and their safety nets would be a step in the right direction. Temporally increasing jobs used as a cataylist for new innovations. Ex. Alternative Energy and their administration and or farming with new technology for tomatoes and everything else in between. So things are not as bleak as some may think. Unless of course they vote republican!
Don’t Mind Anti. He tries.. Bless his soul…

AND, Babbling Bernie just showed us the Liberal mindset when it comes to tax revenue...
His comment ""Corporate tax goes up does'nt effect business as it is immediately charged to consumer."

translates to:
"We don't care who ends up paying for it... as long as we get our money!"

Bernie replies;
Number 1] Keynesian economics has not been around forever. Again with your absolutes. Not that familiar with it as this is not what economic theory I have been eluding to. You actually have to read what I’m commenting. In general Marrimar Eccles could be addressed as Keynesian but I’m more aligned with Eccles. Something you might enjoy researching. Obama has, as his policies and efforts have demonstrated.
FDR proved that Eccles economics works beyond a shadow of doubt. After using Eccles ideology for a few years. Sure enough they started to slowly start to climb out of the Great Depression. Then he went back to the previous financial economics, cut taxes, cut spending, and so on. Alas they started to go right back down into the Depression. He went back to Eccles economics and Bingo they started to climb out again. Test date if memory serves me was 1934 to 1937 something for you to research and hold my feet to the fire. I’m not good with dates..
Your $6 Trillion figure is off, but that is beside the point. Your fears of debt is what? Republicans have demonstrated they have no fear of it. Only time they fear it is when it comes time to pay the fiddler.
Continu end of page 1

Continued from page 1 PAGE 2 Bernie replies;
2] Any and all taxes do affect all consumers. Some more than others at the initial point of taxation. Ex. Corporate Jet, luxury taxes will first affect the elite who will then pass it on to the consumers and laborers’ of their corporations. Now a Tax on Tomatoes will affect the impoverished more readily. They will in turn seek higher wages to pass the burden of the tax to their employers. The Circle of Life.
3] Devalued dollar makes our commodity more attractive for purchase to those whose currency is greater per dollar value. {Exports} From the micro to the macro. Stronger the dollar value less demand for our overpriced items and more attractive is the purchase of those with less dollar value. {Imports} Basics here. Ex. China keeps its currency less than our dollar value stimulating our desire to purchase their products. This is a obstruction to Free Markets when a currency is manipulated to be advantageous to its host. Free Markets call it criminal and China calls it a fair example of their political economic supremacy. Tariff wars continue…

Continued from Page 2.. PAGE 3 Bernie replies;
4] Your Solyndra example is lame. There has always been investments that have not been as efficient as the investor desired. That’s why you spread your investments. Imagine if we belly ache every time we had Oil spills, Coal Mine disasters, Radioactive particles contamination and the pollutions that they cause that affects our lives by handicapping our health and or our early demise. Where would we be now? Perhaps seeking a new energy source?
Obama has spread the Alternative Energy investments around into R&D, Batteries, Solar both panels and trough, Wind, Hydro and so on. They are presently growing at an ever increasing growth which emulates the growth curve of Technology. Imagine going from a pencil, paper and slide ruler of just 50 years ago to our having the luxury of communicating betwixt you and me as we do now. Do you think that computers just popped up without their failed systems just as Nuclear energy with their systems that some bombed out. LOL had to get that in..
Governments have their good days and bad days just like you. Its what makes us all human. I’ll stick with the USA as the best government in the world. Notice I did not go to extremes and say the cosmos..
You will just have to get over it. Alternative is here and will replace all present day toxic energy sources. Stop being such a fuddy duddy. Life is to short.
THIS IS THE END.. My only friend, the end..

Bernie, could you bullet point or something? Seriously, I'm sick of getting mail-bombed every time you post. You do realize there's a reason they limit the number of characters per comment, right? It's not arbitrary or the result of technological limitations. If it takes you three Tolstoy-loads of typing to attempt to get your point across, you may want to reconsider whether or not you're actually doing so.

Bernie, Solyndra is a PERFECT example. Your attempt to rewrite history by denying it doesn't work.

Anti Bernie replies to Solynda
Solyndra!. I fail to comprehend the hype that is associated to it. It was a failed investment. Get over it. How many failures have the oil , coal and nuclear energy sectors have Per Year? At what cost to taxpayers and consumers for their failures? There are always obstacles on a quest.
Observe did we throw up our hands up with every oil spill, coal mine disaster or radioactive catastrophes. Now consider that damage they have and are contributing to our nations Health and Security.
Toxic in their acquirements , production, storage and deliveries. Multibillions would be saved in health issues alone. Service infrastructure to a toxic energy source would be eliminated. Multibillions saved there as well.
Alternative energy require no fuel! Infrastructure cost to service is a fraction of a fraction of that of a toxic infrastructures. As well as the pollution factors.
At best it is naïve to focus on this one failure, when the rewards of clean abundant energy is simply here for the taking.
Obama’s investment into the R&D of alternative is beginning to blossom. Alternative energy is on a acceleration curve of technology growth. Imagine 40 years ago. We were with pencil, paper and a slide ruler and today we communicate with computers. Imagine what alternative energy will be with our technology focused on its development.
You already know this simple observation of the two energy sources. Toxic and non toxic. Repubs !!!!

The Anti-Alinsky –

Interesting… 33 green energy companies received loan money from the federal government so far; 3 of these companies failed, and that includes Solyndra, because the PRC flooded the USA market with cheap solar panels…

When you considered that 50% of all business startups go belly up in 2-3 years, even you may appreciate the stupidity of your statement regarding Solyndra… but, maybe not…

I guess you just can't fix stupid...

Bernie wrote: "...Solyndra!. I fail to comprehend the hype that is associated to it. It was a failed investment. Get over it.."

No I won't get over it! It was MY money Obama gave his cronies!

John, The fact that the federal government had to give Solyndra $500 million is a pretty good indication that it was not a viable business opportunity. That's where the stupidity lies.

500 MILLION. That's 5000+ teachers. That's 5000+ Police. That's 5000+ full ride scholarships. If that's not enough to P155 you off you are just too far out to listen to any sort of reason!

The Anti-Alinsky –

FYI: there is a 90B fund for alternative energy companies – less than half of that has been used so far.

IF “YOU” want to stay exercised over Solyndra for the rest of your inconsequential life, that is totally up to you… YOUR frustration will only shorten YOUR life…

Dear The Anti-Alinsky, that was NOT your money the government gave to his cronies; that might have been some few pennies of your taxes, but as a good American citizen, you are obligated to pay your taxes, just as you are obligated to pay your mortgage. Once you pay that money, in either case, that money belongs to the recipient… not YOU! Therefore, it is no longer YOUR MONEY!

You really would not believe what your local, state and federal governments do with much of the monies collected from taxes; I wouldn’t want to be responsible for driving you into a full-fledged psychotic breakdown, so I will not give you specifics…

Furthermore, they may spend it as they wish; you may contact your congressperson, complain, and receive a very, very PC letter back, stating that they are so very pleased you contacted them, and IF you have any further concerns, please contact them again… of course, the letter will be written by a staffer and they have billions of these boilerplate letters ready to send.

@ John Wilson also commented on It's The Economy, Stupid: Insiders Say Fiscal Policy Is Key to Debate.
"The Anti-Alinsky – FYI: there is a 90B fund for alternative energy companies.

Bernie replies;
Your reply to Anti is sound advice. Thought I would drop this off to help Anti settle down. Anti should examine the source of that $90 Billion comment. It was from Romney’s debate. Need I say more? Romney’s half truths and just outright lies have the taint of Foxy Rush Rove. That $90 Billion has been judged FALSE. So Anti you can settle down now its just more lies from Romney/Ryan political propaganda. Just like your lie of government fails 50%. Tad off there. Again with your extremes.. Try counting to 3,753 before posting. Might help you with those fabricated numbers of extremes you are constantly prone to.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/05/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-barack-obama-provided-90-billion/
Now how about some fun?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/rulings/pants-fire/ Political Facts pants on fire section. Pulitzer Prize site.

John Wilson wrote "...Dear The Anti-Alinsky, that was NOT your money the government gave to his cronies; that might have been some few pennies of your taxes, but as a good American citizen, you are obligated to pay your taxes..."

Again, John is showing the Liberal mentality, we don't care where it comes from, it's OUR money, not yours.

As a " good American citizen" I have a right to say where my money goes. As a " good American citizen" I have a right to know where my money goes. And, as a " good American citizen", I have a right to have my money go to something productive, not to have it given to one of Barack Hussein Obama's supporters.

I have no problem with the money I pay to the government as long as it goes for something productive; roads, national defense, education.

BUT WASTING MONEY LIKE WE DID WITH SOLYNDRA JUST P155ES ME OFF!

The Anti-Alinsky –

1) You have absolutely NO RIGHT, once you give your money to the government TO SAY WHERE IT GOES. It is NOT “YOUR” MONEY ONCE YOU GIVE IT – IT BELONGS TO THE GOVERNMENT! CONGRESS will determine how and where the money they have is allocated.

2) NO, you do not have a RIGHT TO KNOW WHERE YOUR TAX CONTRIBUTION GOES. The government will tell you, we spent 1.5T on Defense, 2.5T on Condoms, and 1.2T on Classified Programs, that you are NOT allowed to know about because you simply do not have the security clearance. This is sort of like sending your wife out with $1,000, because she wants to go shopping. She comes back with an SUV full of bags and boxes, which she immediately rushes into a spare room and locks the door. When you ask her what she bought at the mall, she just says, “Things.” That is what you are entitled to… IF you really think you have the RIGHT to more information… write your beloved congressional representative. I am sure that Senselessbrenner or Johnson would be pleased to tell you where you may put your RIGHT!

3) No, you do not have the RIGHT TO FORCE THE GOVERNMENT TO SPEND TAX MONEY ON SOMETHING "YOU" THINK IS PRODUCTIVE! There are Billions of dollars spent on aircraft, weapons, bio-tech agents, nerve-gas, etc., every year, that produce NOTHING PRODUCTIVE, except a steady stream of revenue to Defense Contractors, Senselessbrenner and Johnson make sure they get that money.

WISHFUL THINKING...

Actually the Government tells us where they piss away our money. Wilson you would be wise to not pick a battle of witts with Anti-Alinski. You are an unarmed man going to battle with a man armed with facts and truth- you are guaranteed to lose yet another one.

Craig -

Actually, informing someone that they may be totally engulfed in GOP WISHFUL THINKING and megalomania, regarding what they – WISHFUL THINKING – they think they have a [RIGHT TO] is performing a public service, NOT, as you say, picking a fight…

“Actually the Government tells us where they piss away our money.”

The government only tells you in broad categories… when you want to drill down into the data to see specifically how much money was spent on a specific item, they either obfuscate, hide it under a general classification or tell you it is a matter of national security.

What is the budget for the CIA per year?
How many CIA assets are deployed in the EU and what is the annual cost?
How much money are we spending, per year, on nerve gas production and research?

You cannot…

Again, you have no right to say where your tax money goes; you have no right, other than in a general sense, to know how your tax money is allocated, and, you certainly have no right to impose your MAGICAL THINKING on the government by attempting to force them to use your tax money for what you might consider, PRODUCTIVE VENTURES…

It is what it is…

Your reading comprehension must be really low!

Wilson: I didn't claim that the Government gives us an itemized bill, but just because they don't doesn't mean they shouldn't. What you seem to forget is that it was my money- they took it and are spending it as they see fit. It is time that changed because they are doing a piss poor job. We all deserve better.
Be careful getting too much into it with AntiAlinsky, last time you were involved in a battle of witts, you got castrated.

Craig –

You and your cohort – probably the same person – The Anti-Alinsky are claiming RIGHTS that simply do not exist, EXCEPT IN YOUR MAGICAL THINKING! That is what I am addressing.

IF you want to make a very different argument about what government SHOULD, WOULD COULD, that is fine. Just understand that is a very different argument from where we began!

“What you seem to forget is that it was my money- they took it and are spending it as they see fit.”

The operative word in your sentence is “WAS.”

Yes, it “WAS YOUR MONEY”, then you gave it to "THEM", and now it is “THERE MONEY.”

THERE MONEY TO SPEND AS THEY SEE FIT!

That was my major FACT to YOU from the start.

Perhaps we taxpayers should be able to designate our money only for SS or only for DEFENSE; however, now, we cannot do that… Congress decides how the money is spent…

We live under a representative form of government, where your representative determines how tax revenue is spent… IF you want to change how tax money is spent, then you really do have to change the form of our government…

Simply changing your representative is not going to change anything; it is THE SYSTEM.

John Wilson;
Craig and his merry entourage of flies are so focused on those little trivialities‘. They want us to focus on old regurgitated rhetoric and or on their decaying red herrings. Anti says Let's face it Bernie, government has done more harm than good for business in America!” Can you believe such a naive statement? Next will be praising the capitalism of the USA! Daffy.
They even go against their own ideologies so desperate they be to avoid the issues. Observe they want bigger government! Imagine trying to explain to every simpleton how the taxes are spent. We would need millions of physiatrists just to explain it to the Craig’s entourage alone.
Lets just see one example of where the republicans are indicating they want to go. {No Surprise Here} Mittens wants to increase “spending” to the Pentagon by $ 2 Trillion. HMMM They are overly budgeted as it is! Why more.
OUTSOURCING! Yes sir reee bub. Thunder on the Horizon. Soon we will be able to outsource our children to foreign soils. Once again and again and again and again and again. It’s the republican way. Increasing welfare to the military complex to harbor the children soldiers. Larger government!
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/05/barack-obama/obama-says-romney-would-spend-2-trilllion-military/ Romney will raise Pentagon budget by $2 Trillion! True. Bunch of Daffy Ducks..
“You don’t need no ticket you just get on board”

Brett Hyde –

Good for YOU and YOUR MAGICAL THINKING!

You keep questioning where your tax money is going!

You keep insisting that the government spend all tax money to improve the country!

You keep demanding that tax money not be wasted!

Please send me a brief note when all your childish questioning, insisting and demanding is answered… in the meantime, I’m sure the government will continue to use the money you give them – freely or not – just as they have in the past… ANYWAY THEY WANT!

It is what it is…

Wilson: I do not speak for Anti, I think you mistook me for him. It seems you tend to agree that we should have the right to know where the money goes.
Bernard: Trivialities? Really? $16 Trillion is not trivial at all! As to the rest of your blather, I can't comment. We speak different language. I speak truth and English, you speak the radical Libby language with a twist of asshole. Seriously Bernard, you need to shorten your drivel.

Craig
6:53 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
Bernie replies;
Craig; Your trivialities is this rehash of where this taxpayers money goes is just that. BS Just as what your $16 trillion. What is it ? Some drivel you invented? Apples, oranges? Now that is what I call a lie in any language. When did god make you king? Telling others how to comment. I do not recognize your self proclaimed authority. Not by a country mile.
As to your $16 trillion all I could find was this on fact checker. They call it False. A Pulitzer Awarded Site. I think their more apt to be correct then you and the rest of your flies. http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/sep/25/rick-perry/rick-perry-says-obama-has-added-16-trillion-federa/

Bernard Forhand: I mentioned $16 Trillion as the National Debt, do you dispute that number? I don't call it apples, oranges, or prunes- it is the freeking Debt of this Nation. We have surpassed our annual GDP with the debt, how can this not concern you? Four more years of Obama-nomics is certain to cause a total collapse of all entitlements, I would think this would concern you more than anything.

@ Bret … Bernie Replies
Bret your callow intelligence is astounding. When you claim citizenship to any country you by implied consent are obligated to obey their laws. You can’t handle that, then seek a citizenship that suites you and see if they will accept you. No matter where you go their will be a price to pay. Even if you want to be a hermit in a cave. There you can sit and mediate. What price am I paying to live as a hermit versus living in a social structure. Let us all know when you get back from your meditations and what enlightened discoveries you have made, if they will let you back in.
What’s all this BS about “GIVE and TAKE”? A simple child of 5 has advanced beyond those basics. Maturity will some day come to you. Then words like share, receive to name just a couple may yet come into your realm of comprehension.

True; but he can cut and paste better than all of us combined!
He should try his hand at writing for Patch, of course all of his work would be plagiarism.

Bernie replies page 2 continued
Owners then seek to control the sovereignties polices to discriminate in favor of their inequality. This has been the standard from day one. Now how about we turn the table around to bring about a more equalized distribution of laborers productivity.
Owners have been using laborer’s as a commodity force. Relocating as they desire, to gain greater leverage in retaining greater profits from laborers productivity. Laborer’s are for the most part, stationary to their locals.
Liquidity of laborer’s movements can be motivated from stationary position. While on the other hand corporations will be fixed and obstructed of liquid movement.
Corporations and their wealth are to remain within their national boundaries. All profits are to remain within the infrastructure of the host nation. Can not be outsourced to any other nation. Can not set up another corporation site beyond their host nation.
Laborer’s ability to transverse borders can now have positive affects to their inequality to owners.
“Compounding positive affects of outsourcing” can now be experienced by the laborers. Positive compounding effects were and are experienced by owners, through their liquidity for outsourcing.
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